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Re: Conlang Lang Quicky At work

From:Sally Caves <scaves@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 24, 2004, 16:36
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From: "Elliott Lash" <erelion12@...>

> Sitting around at work with nothing to do for a > change, I came up with a small verbal system for a > small conlang. > > The verbs are divided into two groups: Volitional and > Non-Volitional. Volitional means that the subject > somehow willingly initiates the action. Non-Volitional > means that the subject performs the action but does > not necessarily willingly do so. Most of the time the > non-volitional verbs are things like "fall" or "dream" > or "sleep" Etc. Sometimes, I suppose, they could be > normal verbs but performed under duress.
This is becoming quite popular, recently, ain't it? :) :) :)
> Anyways...The two groups are only distinguished in the > 3rd person. Other than that, the forms of the verbs > are the same.
Wouldn't a speaker like to inform her auditors that she does something volitionally or not? This is essential to Teonaht culture. It marks the difference between an agent and an experiencer, a doer and a drifter, a doer and a done to, a champ or a wimp. Also, the speaker can inform his auditors that he is not responsible, or he is a victim of circumstances, or that he saw something unwittingly, that he wasn't spying, that he wasn't eavesdropping, that he is innocent of malice or malfeasance.
> Furthermore, there are two classes of endings for all > verbs (transitive at least), The pronominal objective > and the nominal objective endings. The pronominal > objective endings bundle up together a subject marker > with an object marker that varies for person. The > nominal objective endings have a subject marker with > an implied object marker.
I really like the idea of a pronominal objective ending on a transitive verb.
> Intransitive verbs use the "nominal objective > conjugation" endings but they obviously dont imply any > object.... I think it's time for examples: > > Transitive Volitional Nom. Objective: > root: band- "bring" > > infinitive: bêz /be~s/ > > band "I bring X" bendyz "we" > bêrj "You bring X" /be~Z/ bêrjs /be~rS/ "you" > bans "He brings X /bants/ bendysj "they" > > Transitive Non-Volitional Nom. Objective: > band "I" /bant/ bendyz /bend1s/ > bêrj "You" bêrjs > bêzen "He brings X" /be~z@n/ bêzez /be~z@s/ > > Transitive Pronominal Objective: > > bandut "I bring you" bendyst "we bring you" > bandun "I bring him" bendyzen "we bring him"
And these mean "I bring you," as in "take you to a party," and not "I bring to you a cupcake"? Do you have pronominal indirect objects?
> bêrjem "You bring me" bêrjsem "you bring me" > bêrjen "You bring him" bêrjen "you bring him" > > bandum "He brings me" bendysjem "they bring me" > banst "He brings you" bendysjt "they bring you" > bandun "He brings him" bendysjen "they bring him" > > (the object above is singular, the plural endings are: > > -ta "you" > -ma "we" > -na "them" (with appropriate vowels before hand)
Below you imply that you are conflating non-volitional verbs with intransitives. How would you say "he eats" in your language? It's not non-volitional, nor is it transitive, really.
> ---- > Intransitive verb: > > Non-Volitional: > drem- "to sleep" > infinitive: drimj > > drem "I sleep" drimjyz "we sleep" > drimjer "you sleep" drimjers "you sleep" > dremuk "he sleeps" drimycj "they sleep" > > As you can see, the third person has a separate > non-volitional ending when there is no possible > object. > > I'm sure that these endings can be shunted between > non-volitional and volitional verbs to create > interesting effects, I'm just not sure how that'd > happen at the moment.
In Teonaht you have vt, vi, nt, ni. Volitional transitives (I watch the baby, I kick the ball), volitional intransitives (I eat, I stand up, I consider), non-volitional transitives (I smell the garbage, I saw the ghost), non-volitional intransitives (I sleep). And a non-volitional can be turned into a volitional by dropping the non-volitional ending, so that "dream" can be "to plan, to wish for, to hope, volitionally, or even to engage in lucid dreaming."
> That's all, really...I just wanted to share. I have > the following verbs so far:
Thanks! This sounds interesting, and tinted with a variety of language sources.
> aliog- "strike", aliezj "to strike" > band- "bring", bêz "to bring" > vicji- "conquer", vicji "to conquer" > seren- "cook', serinj "to cook" > flet- "tell", flis "to tell" > zap- "fall", zepj 'to fall" > drem- "sleep", drimj "to sleep" > > > Some Examples: > > Mut seren zdisa "I am cooking the meal" > mu-t seren zdis-a > I-NOM cook-1s meal-ABS.def > > (split-ergative, 1,2 person is nominative/accusative, > 3 is ergative) > > Zdisa serenuk "The meel is cooking" > zdis-a seren-uk > meal-ABS.def cook-NVol.3s > > Dapa seres v zdisurem > "Father is cooking in the kitchen" > > dap-a seres v zdisur-em > father-Abs.def cook-Vol.3s in kitchen-prep. > > Depjet seres zdis > "Father is cooking a meal" > dap-jet seres zdis-0 > father-ERG cook meal-Abs > > > I hope that all makes sense. > > Elliott
Marvelously! Sally Niffodyr tweluenrem lis teuim an "The gods have retractible claws."