conjunction disjunction (re: going without "without"
|From:||Jay Bowks <jjbowks@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, August 17, 1999, 1:42|
In Bitruscan a minimalist language of the sort
I've toyed with the idea of having "with" reflected
into a conjunction... that is the ever-present "and"
so that "caui" ("ca" that/what + "ui" and)
and "naui" ("na" no / "nan" nothing + "ui" and)
serve to express the companionship of an object
to it's owner... lessee...
UMAN IN TABIRNA CA UI BURSU IN UA
A man walks into a bar with a bear
"man in bar that and bear in is going"
UMAN CA UI BURSU IN TABIRNA IN UA
A man with a bear walks into a bar
"man that and bear in bar in is going"
UI UMAN BURSU CA IN TABIRNA IN UA
A bear with a man walks into a bar
"and man bear that in bar in is going"
UMAN NA UI BURSU IC TABIRNA IC UA
A man walks out of a bar without a bear
"man no and bear out bar out is going"
TABIRNIRU NA UI TABIRNA CA UI BURSU IC UA
A barman comes out without a bar which has a bear
"barman no and bar that and bear out is going"
Hmmm... wise barman! Too bad for the bar.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Pearson <mpearson@...>
To: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:42 PM
Subject: going without "without"
>I have a problem, and I'm wondering if anyone can offer a
>good solution. As some of you who've been on this list for a while
>may recall, I've been on a long-term crusade to eliminate all
>prepositions from Tokana, and replace them with other strategies for
>expressing relational concepts (such as oblique cases). The last
>preposition to be eliminated - it fought long and hard, but I finally
>vanquished it - was the preposition "kun", meaning "with". The
>functions of this preposition have now been taken over by two of the
>oblique cases, the instrumental and the comitative (the latter is a
>new addition to the language). The instrumental is used to indicate
>tools and other instruments which actually perform the action named
>by the verb.
>Anybody know how such languages express "without"? How do
>people express "without" in their conlangs? Any help with
>this sticky issue would be much appreciated.