Re: Humbly beg a critique of a role-marking system for my language.

Sorry for the long quotations!

On Thursday 19 August 2004 18:30, Steven Williams wrote:

 > Essentially, it's three core roles are the 'agent',
 > the 'patient' and the 'experiencer'. I think I saw a
 > similar system in Mandarin, but I took only a cursory
 > glance at the grammar, so I might have misunderstood.
 > [...]
 >
 > The patient is the recipient of an action done by the
 > agent (whether or not the agent is specifically
 > mentioned).
 > [...]
 >
 > The experiencer, however, is something a bit stranger
 > than both. In meaning, it comes close to the German
 > tendency to use dative objects to express things like
 > 'I'm cold' ('mir ist kalt'); the experiencer can be
 > either the doer of an action without a patient ('she
 > is going on a walk') or the experiencer of some state
 > ('he is cold').
 > [...]
 >
 > The actual usage varies quite a bit. One experiencing
 > a state can be marked as an actor, implying that the
 > state was his or her own doing ('he is cold [because
 > he forgot to pack his coat]').

What about this? I found this mail when reading mails that
kept unread for ages.

On Wednesday 25 February 2004 00:24, John Quijada wrote:

 > Ithkuil divides up the usual S/A/P distinction into nine
 > distinct cases, corresponding to the semantic roles of
 > AGENT, ENABLER, SELF-MOTIVATOR, PATIENT, FORCE, STIMULUS,
 > CONTENT, EXPERIENCER, and INSTRUMENT, explained as
 > follows:
 >
 > AGENT - initiator of an action causing a direct result to
 > a patient: Example:  The CLOWN drained the tub (e.g., by
 > turning it over and pouring out the water)
 > [...]
 >
 > PATIENT - party undergoing the tangible result of an
 > externally caused, enabled, or influenced action.
 > Example:  The music made HER dance.  They killed HIM.  HE
 > died from his wounds.
 > [...]
 >
 > EXPERIENCER - undergoer of unwilled experiential,
 > affective or autonomic state.  Examples:  HE laughed.
 > The BOY felt cold.  My leg itches ME.  THEY flinched at
 > the loud bang.  My FATHER is angry.  JANE loves Sam.

I don't know how long you've already been subscribing to
this list, Steven Williams, so if you'd like to know the
rest of what John Quijada wrote, ask him or me to send you
the whole message offlist.

Carsten Becker

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