Re: Some natlang questions?

> Date:         Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:13:40 -0500
> From: Justin Mansfield <jdm314@...>
>
> --- In conlang@y..., Marcus Smith <smithma@U...> wrote:
> > Danny wrote:
> > >Second, how do you pronounce /ti/, /di/, /si/ and /zi/ in
> > >Japanese? I see them so often written as chi, ji and shi, but I
> > >hear something more like [ci], [Ji], [Ci].
Are these (/ti/, /di/, etc.) really the phonemic analyses, or just the
systematic values of the kana?

> > Unfortunately, there aren't any SAMPA characters for these sounds.
> > They involve [...] alveolo-palatal fricatives, rather than the
> > postalveolar fricatives of English. In IPA these are c and z with
> > a loop at the lower right end. [And the values are /ti/ [ts\i],
> /si/ [s\i], /di/ and /zi/ [dz\i]].
>
> In X-SAMPA the symbols are <s\> and <z\>. See
> http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/x-sampa.htm
To sidetrack a little --- Wells waffles a little on the values of the
Mandarin Chinese phonemes that are written as <x q j> in Pinyin. What
would they be in IPA?

> ps. a friend of mine made a wonderful IPA > X-SAMPA chart that we use
> allthe time on IRC. Let me see if he still has it up on his website.
That would be good --- the one I used to use
(<URL:http://odur.let.rug.nl/~wjansen/onderwijs/tools/sampa.html>)
seems to be dead.

Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <thorinn@...> (Humour NOT marked)

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