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Re: anti-active case marking

From:Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg.rhiemeier@...>
Date:Friday, October 6, 2000, 22:53
jesse stephen bangs wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote: >
[...]
> > > Why that way? The pattern I proposed is semantically absolutely > > implausible, and I never intended it to be anything else than a joke. > > I think it is a bad idea to use in a fictional natlang (i.e. in a > > language > > designed to represent a language that evolved naturally in a fictional > > world) because it is implausible. > > > > Jörg. > > Ba nu!* I think this could happen naturally if it were the result of a > phonetic merger of two categories. Perhaps if the original were an active > system with the following categories: > > I - Actor of a volitional transitive verb > II - object of a volitional transitive verb > III - actor of an active intransitive verb > IV - actor of an inactive intransitive verb
Which is not implausible at all.
> Conceivably II and III could spontaneously fall together forming a sort of > mixed > ergative-active system, and if it stayed that way it wouldn't be too > exceptional. But after that a sound change might combine I and > IV--something that wouldn't make sense semantically but could be > phonologically motivated. The resulting system would be like the one > shown above. > > Okay, so that's still not too plausible, but it's not impossible.
Very true. I have overlooked that possibility. Bizarre, but possible. Jörg.