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Re: Announcement: New auxlang "Choton"

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Saturday, October 9, 2004, 12:53
Quoting Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>:

> Hi > ! > Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> writes: > > I wrote: > > > |Pfad| /pfa:d/ [pfa:t] > >... > > Reminds me; is it really [pf]? Since it's usually described as an > affricate, I > > had assumed it's really [pp\] - which I find easier to pronounce, and in > fact > > is what I use when speaking German - but _every_ phonetic transcription > I've > > seen seems to write [pf]. > > Ah! Yes, it's [pf]. I just tried [pp\] and it is not perfectly > right. > > Actually, it never occurred to me that [pf] cannot technically be an > affricate because it's bilabial+labialdental, but I think it still is > one: > > When I pronounce it, there is no need to adjust the position of the > jaw to switch from bilabial to labiodental. My upper teeth already > touch the lower lip while the plosive is closed by the upper lip. > When the plosive part opens, there is no need to adjust anything: the > [f] is already perfectly in position for the fricative part. So I'd > say that although not exactly the same point of articulation, it is > still an affricate since nothing is moved, since upper-lip with > lower-lip and upper-teeth with lower-lip can touch at the same time.
That's one funny affricate! Trying it, I can just about manage it in isolation. I won't be able to use it in connected speech anytime soon. It's just crying to get transformed into either [pp\] or a labiodental affricate (which apparently isn't IPAically representable). Do your upper teeth touch you lower lip when producing a simple [p]? Andreas

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