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Re: USAGE: Dutch v or f (was: Grimm's Law)

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Thursday, April 18, 2002, 6:06
Maarten van Beek wrote:
...variation in
>Dutch, >> where "f" _does_ seem to predominate in loans-- except some few that
don't
>> _obviously_ seem to be loans. I was hoping some of our Dutch >> correspondents would enlighten us. > >I'll do my best, though I am sceptical...
Thanks. It's interesting and helpful. Confirms my suspicion that "f" probably marks loans or dialect forms. (snips)
>> fladderen 'to flutter', > >fladderen <- fletharôn (old dutch: "to beat with ones wings"). Related to >words like "vlerk" (bat wing) and "vleermuis" (bat). Note that both are >written with 'v'!
Now that you mention "vleermuis", there's Germ. Fledermaus-- suggestive.
>
....
>> fokken 'to breed (animals)', > >Origin unknown to me
Too bad. In view of our well known Engl. word, it's probably some good old Germanic word.
> >> fuif 'spree', >Recent addition to the Dutch vocabulary, student language, origin unclear > >> fuiven 'to revel', >See above > >> fut 'spirit, pep'-- >Late dutch, probably originated from "vort" or "voort" (forward).
These last are very odd. It seems to be rare for truly new "invented" words to arise. Acronyms, contractions, humorous deformations-- yes. IIRC one of the few without any known etymology in modern times is "gas", Fr. "gaz"(?)

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