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Re: Rhotics (was: Pharingials, /l/ vs. /r/ in Southeast Asia)

From:Mangiat <mangiat@...>
Date:Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 7:37
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:32:27 +0000 > From: Ray Brown <ray.brown@...> > Subject: Re: Rhotics (was: Pharingials, /l/ vs. /r/ in Southeast Asia) > > On Sunday, February 8, 2004, at 06:09 PM, Mangiat wrote: > > >> From: Ray Brown <ray.brown@...> > >> Subject: Rhotics (was: Pharingials, /l/ vs. /r/ in Southeast Asia) > >> > >> Exactly! However, retroflex is a more well defined term IME. For > >> example, > >> I've never come across the French uvular trill, uvular voiced
fricative
> > & > >> uvular approximant pronunciations of /r/ described as 'retroflex', tho > >> they have been (and are) called 'rhotics'. Indeed, I'm finding it > >> difficult to see (or hear) what the trilled [r] of Italian & Welsh has
in
> >> common with the uvular approximant common in modern northern French, > >> other > >> than that both are voiceless. > > > > Voiceless? > > OOPS!! Probably the worst typo I've made on the list {deep blush} > > I mean *VOICED* > > Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
No need... What baffled me is that I read somewhere that French /r/ actually can in some environments be devoiced...Or am I wrong? Luca
> http://home.freeuk.com/ray.brown > ray.brown@freeuk.com (home) > raymond.brown@kingston-college.ac.uk (work) > =============================================== > "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always > interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760 >***********

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