Re: Californian vowels [was Re: Liking German]

"Thomas R. Wier" wrote:
>
> Quoting Robert Hailman <robert@...>:
>
> > John Cowan wrote:
> > >
> > > Steg Belsky scripsit:
> > >
> > > > Judy Garland says something like [bikVz], i think.
> > >
> > > As do I: for me the song rhymes perfectly, as does Miss Muffet.
> > > (Some of my compatriots, and almost everybody from Canada, can't
> > > rhyme "spider" and "inside her".)
> >
> > I say [b@kVz], so it still rhymes for me. I say it as [bikVz] when I
> > sing that song, though, because... well, it's a valid pronounciation
> > for me, just not one I use very often.
>
> Perhaps that suggests that for you the underlying phonemes
> are /bik@z/?
I don't know about /bik@z/ - /bikVz/, definitely.

I've been trying to figure out if I even have a distinction between /@/
and /V/ - I don't think I do, and it seems most, if not all, of the time
it's realized as [V].

--
Robert