Re: Californian vowels [was Re: Liking German]

Jeff Jones wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:46:53 -0400, John Cowan <cowan@...>
> wrote:
>
> >Robert Hailman scripsit:
> >
> >> I say [b@kVz], so it still rhymes for me. I say it as [bikVz] when I
> >> sing that song, though, because... well, it's a valid pronounciation for
> >> me, just not one I use very often.
> >
> >Actually, so do I, and so does Garland.
> >
> >> I'm from Canada, and "spider" and "inside her" rhyme for me. I can't
> >> think of ever hearing them not rhyme. [spaid@'] and [insaid h@'], ([@']
> >> is the rhotic schwa, right?]) or something like that.
> >
> >Well, most of your compatriots say [sp@idR] and [insaidR].  So do people
> >from Pennsylvania: the so-called Canadian Raising.
>
> Wouldn't [sp@idR] be "spiter", not "spider"? I thought Canadian Raising
> applied only before an originally voiceless consonant.
Hmm... I have heard [sp@idR] for "spider", but exceedingly rarely. Maybe
once or twice in my life. [sp@idR] would be "spiter", like Jeff said,
for me - or more accurately, probably [spVid@'].

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Robert