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R: Re: Droppin' D's Revisited

From:Mangiat <mangiat@...>
Date:Thursday, October 12, 2000, 13:02
Adrian Morgan wrote:

> Christophe Grandsire wrote, quoting Barry Garcia: > > > > With long simple vowels, are they just pronounced the same as the > > > short ones, but drawn out longer? I'm always confused as to long and > > > short vowels, because what I gather from English, it's not really the > > > same > > > > Modern English doesn't really have an opposition between short and long > > vowels, but between lax vowels, tense vowels and diphtongs. But it's > > called short and long vowels for historical reasons. > > It's true that /i/ tends to be thought of as 'short' while /I/ > tends to be thought of as 'long'. This is because occurences of /I/ in > many dialects of English _are_ almost always longer than occurences of > /i/. > > bit [bit] > beat [bI:t]
Really? I was taught to pronounce 'long i' /i/ and 'short i' /I/: bit /bIt/ and beat /bi:t/.
> But what of the opposition between /a/ and /a:/? In my (Australian) > dialect, I don't believe there is any difference apart from length. > > father [fa:D@] Bart [ba:t] farm [fa:m] > mother [maD@] but [bat] fun [fan]
father /fa:D@*/, Bart /ba:*t/, farm /fa:*m/ mother /mVD@*/ but /bVt/ and fun /fVn/
> In my dialect the word 'gone' is the only word in the language to > contain a phoneme that appears to be /O:/. There *may* be a very subtle > voice difference, but I cannot convince myself of it. > > gone [gO:n] -- no other word contains [O:]
gone /g@n/, /g@un/ and /goun/. Luca
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