Re: Help: Zhyler ECM/Raising Verbs (Longish)

Date:    Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:50:42 +0200
Henrik Theiling <theiling@...> wrote:

>>>
David Peterson <ThatBlueCat@...> writes:
> I discovered a problem that, for some reason, never occurred to me
> before in the course of working with Zhyler.
>...
> The problem that arose was with sentences like "I want you to do x"
> or "I want the man to do x".  You can't just add the suffix to the
> verb, because it doesn't work if the speaker is different from the
> subject.  So...
>
Hmm, this reminds me of Japanese which, according to a book I have,
prohibits expression of inner states of other people.  Therefore, you
cannot directly say 'You want to eat the food' in Japanese.  You'd
have to say 'You seem to want to eat the food' (or 'I looks like...'
or....).
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More detail on Japanese (I set aside the different verbal forms required for
politeness like omeshi agaru, etc)

taberu---to eat
tabetai---I want to eat (quite rude; everybody say onaka ga suita)
tabete kureru---Else eat(s) for someone (usually for me)
tabete (kurete) hoshii---I want else to eat (litt. "else's eating is
desirable")
tabemono ga/wa hoshii---I want food
tabetagaru---Else look(s) like they badly want to eat
tabesasetai---I want to make else eat
etc

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