Re: Help: Zhyler ECM/Raising Verbs (Longish)

On Sunday 04 Apr 2004 10:34 am, you wrote:
> Hi all,
>
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Interesting problem.

In Gevey, there is a presumption that "physical" actions take precedence over
"non physical" actions. The act of eating thus takes precedence over the act
of wanting:

John eats the cheese
-> John (s) cheese (d.ob) eat (v)
-> Jone yuu lizhev fosase

John wants the cheese
-> John (s) cheese (d.ob) [conditional mode] want (v)
-> Jone yuu lizhev goudh gruugase
(the verb "want" often comes with a verb particle to indicate conditional
modality in Gevey)

John wants to eat the cheese
-> John (s) cheese (d.ob) [conditional mode] eat (v) want (verb modifier)
-> Jone yuu lizhev goudh fosase gruugan
(so "eat" remains as the verb, while "want" is cast in the infinitive and
modifies the verb - but the conditional mode word is kept)

"Persuade" is a different issue:

Peter persuaded John to eat the cheese
-> Main clause: Peter (s) John (d.ob) pursuaded (v)
-> Petre ye Jont dhrauzdate
-> Relative clause: [entry] {John (s)} cheese (d.ob) ate (v) [hook]
-> zhek yuu lizhev vde fosalta oc
-> bring the two together:
-> Petre ye Jont dhrauzdate zhek yuu lizhev vde fosalta oc
(yes, in Gevey the relative clause does not need to precede or follow the word
it is acting on, and is commonly thrown to the end of the sentence -
different entry and hook conjunctions help clarify the link between the two
clauses)

Gevey has no passive voice, and has little sentimental attachment to the
subject, so:
-> John was pursuaded to eat the cheese
-> becomes
-> Ye Jont dhrauzdate zhek yuu lizhev vde fosalta oc

Rik.