Re: fuzzy blue monkeys(was Re: .sig)

--- In conlang@y..., Henrik Theiling <theiling@A...> wrote:
> Christian Thalmann <cinga@G...> writes:
> > High German:  Flauschige blaue Affen /"flaUS1g@ "blaU@ "af:n=/
>
> Strange dialect you have!  I never knew there were German dialects
> with a) an unrounded open central vowel /1/, b) long consonants! :-)
1) I was trying to render the High German pronunciation, not a dialectal
version.  Anyway, my dialect would be Züritüütsch.  =P

2) I guess I'm wrong about the /1/, but it seems to me that unstressed
i is realized with a distinct y-ish flavor in High German.  "Bitte"
often sounds halfways between /bIt@/ and /bYt@/ in roundedness, but
higher than /bIt@/ in height.  I have so far believed it to be a high
central vowel, but upon further contemplation I agree that it doesn't
quite fit that description either.

3) Did I mention I'm an IPA layman?  ;-)


> I'd say, High German would be: /"flaUSi:g@ "blaU@ "?afn=/
>
> (The phonemic /i:/ would usually be rendered as short or half-long /i/
> I'd say.).
Now it's my turn to question your dialect.  There is no way the i in
"flauschige" could be a phonemic /i:/.  It's definitely a phonemic /I/
which might be realized as an /i/ under some circumstances.  As I said,
I'm not a phonetician.  But "flauschige" has a stressed long syllable
followed by two short unstressed syllables.  Da kannst du Gift drauf
nehmen.  ;-)


-- Christian Thalmann

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