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Re: Basque Gender Marking (was Re: Further language development Q's)

From:Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 13:39
From:    Tamas Racsko <tracsko@...>
> There is another important factor of choosing examples, that is > the available knowledge of the individual, in this very case: mine. > :)) I am much more familiar with Sumerian than with Georgian.
Granted. :)
> However, if sign languages can be treated as languages, I do not > find it heretic to treat witten Sumerian as a laguage, even if its > vocal form would be a completely different idiom.
There's a difference though between sign language and the kind of language reconstructed for Sumerian: the structure of sign languages is amenable to modern falsification and testing; the structure of Sumerian is not, pending the discovery and analysis of new texts.
> I do not find it > a possible theory to state that people in 3000 B.C. would have > tried to cheat us by inventing an unnatural "conlang", i.e. written > Sumerian. Therefore, if it would be a conlang, it still would > reflect real, natural features of early Mesopotamian linguistic > area that is worth to cite as examples.
The point Thomsen was trying to make in the quote I cited in my last post was precisely that Sumerian was *not* "written" even in the same way that, say, Chinese is written. Modern Chinese uses many logographic and syllabic elements, and actually attempts to reflect the entire speech stream, so that what few grammatical elements exist in Chinese (e.g. perfectivizing -le) must be present. The same cannot be said of Sumerian: especially early on, it was often the case that *no* grammatical elements were written down, just (some of the) verbal and nominal roots deemed important to remember the oral text, since Sumeria was still an *oral* culture. ========================================================================= Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of 1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. Chicago, IL 60637