Re: USAGE: syllables
| From: | Muke Tever <hotblack@...> |
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| Date: | Monday, February 2, 2004, 5:23 |
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:23:05 -0500, Alexandre Lang <allexpro@...> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:54:20 -0600, "Nik Taylor" <yonjuuni@...>
>> Alexandre Lang wrote:
>> > 3. What's the difference between a syllable break ([.]) and any other
>> > break?
>>
>> What other kind of breaks would there be?
>
> Maybe breaks between words, for example?
Syllables are phonetic, even when they have no phonemic significance to
the language.
Word breaks are dependent on morphemes, and are optional *phonetically*.
(A word break could be abandoned in favor of crasis, for example.)
>> > 4. Why isn't the onset part of the rhyme in a syllable?
>> >
>> (
http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisticTerms/WhatIsASyllable.htm)
>>
>> Because the rhyme is defined as the part of the syllable that excludes
>> the onset. The concept of rhyme is useful because in many languages the
>> coda functions as part of a unit with the vowel. For example,
>> allophones often make reference to following consonants, e.g., vowels
>> may be nasalized when followed by a nasal consonant, such that /kan/ =
>> [ka~n] while /ka/ = [ka] or /kat/ = [kat]. However, it's not as common
>> for vowels to nasalize when *preceded* by a nasal consonant, such that
>> /na/ = [na~], and, as far as I know, there aren't any languages that
>> would nasalize vowels when following a nasal, but *not* when preceding a
>> nasal (unless, of course, there are no nasal codas in the first place).
>
> So it's just to facilitate manipulation of some languages?
> It's not a general rule then and doesn't apply to all languages?
> And it's true that it would be possible to have a language that would
> nasalize a vowel when they preceded by a nasal consonant, in which case
> the onset and nucleus would form the rhyme?
Rhyme also has to do with syllable weight. The weight of syllables
never[1] depends on the onset, and is usually based on the rhyme.
[1] I believe this is universal, yes?
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