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Dutch labiodental fricatives [was: Re: *oy vey*]

From:Dirk Elzinga <dirk_elzinga@...>
Date:Wednesday, April 10, 2002, 19:51
At 2:13 PM -0400 04/10/02, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>Maarten Beek wrote: >> > Van: Danny Wier >>> >>> >Nederlands/Dutch is essntiallij a Low Germanic language with >>> that funkij < >>> >>> Or better yet, _vunkij_ since Dutch voices initial fricatives. >> >>Wat een vlauwekul... I mean, flauwekul! Voiced and voiceless initial >>fricatives are phonemically distinct, as can be seen by looking at these >>minimal pairs in Dutch: >> >>fee (fairy) - vee (cattle) > >That _vee_ is suspiciously similar to English "fee", which's Swedish cognate >_fä_ means "livestock".
It's the same word. "Pecuniary" is derived from the same PIE root as well. Something about paying in cattle ...
>Has Dutch been vary evil against labiodental >fricatives during some period of it's history?
As I understand it, Proto-Germanic had no voicing contrast in fricatives. Voicing occured in each daughter language under slightly different conditions. In some varieties of Dutch, *f was voiced initially and medially, while in others it wasn't (there may also have been a Frisian substrate influence on the northern dialects which either nipped voicing in the bud, or prevented it from occurring it at all). Dutch spelling reflects a mixed dialect situation. Dirk -- Dirk Elzinga Man deth swa he byth thonne he mot swa he wile. 'A man does as he is when he can do what he wants.' - Old English Proverb


Matthew Bladen <matthew.bladen@...>