OT: Sarcasm (was: Negation as the indicative standard)
|From:||Tim May <butsuri@...>|
|Date:||Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 1:35|
Tristan McLeay wrote at 2004-01-20 19:08:53 (-0500)
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Philippe Caquant wrote:
> > This is called irony, consisting of letting understand
> > the contrary of what's been said.
> Most certainly not, though there is a myth amongst (some) Americans
> and Brits that sarcasm is irony (Terry Pratchett for
> one...). Sarcasm is when you directly say the opposite of what you
> mean (and doesn't need to be offensive or biting, but can express
> something similar to compasion, as when you say 'fun' when someone
> describes an unenjoyable they have just/are just about to
> experience(d), or 'exciting' for boredorm et sim).
Sarcasm most certainly _is_ irony. That is not an equative statement;
"sarcasm" is not a synonym but a hyponym of "irony".
New Oxford Dictionary of English:
| irony /'AIr@ni/ >noun (pl. -ies) [mass noun] the expression of one's
| meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite,
| typically for humorous or emphatic eppect: _'Don't go overboard
| with the gratitude,' he rejoined with heavy irony'_.
| *a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary
| to what one expects and is often amusing as a result: [with
| clause] _the irony is that I thought he could help me._ *(also
| dramatic or tragic irony) a literary technique, originally used
| in Greek tragedy, by which the full significance of a character's
| words or actions are clear to the audience or reader although
| unknown to the character.
| - ORIGIN early 16th cent. (also denoting Socratic irony): via Latin
| from Greek _eiro:neia_ 'simulated ignorance', from _eiro:n_
| sarcasm >noun [mass noun] the use of irony to mock or convey contempt:
| _she didn't like the note of sarcasm in his voice_.
| - ORIGIN Mid 16th cent.: from French _sarcasme_, or via late Latin
| from late Greek _sarkasmos_, from Greek _sarkazein_ 'tear flesh',
| in late Greek 'gnash the teeth, speak bitterly' (from _sarx_,
| _sark-_ 'flesh').