Re: USAGE: Count and mass nouns

--- Philippe Caquant <herodote92@...>
wrote:

> So it seems that we're about to agree. There
> are different duals:
I am more than willing to admit different
subtypes or usages of the dual.

> - the sort "any two items put together", like
> two
> friends walking together in the street, or two
> arguments
I would argue that "xosto paççaxâtos", two
friends walk-DUAL, is more akin to the nimawiro
type dual. That is, a pair-acting-as-unit.

Now, "rilotanas paççaxâtati", two people-COLL
walk-3s, would be collective in Talarian.

> - the "lateralized sort", like left and right
> hand of
> a person (a pair - every person being
> lateralized)
> - the "yin-yang sort", like man and woman (in
> French:
> un couple, although that vocable can also be
> used in
> other meanings)
I'd argue they're the same thing - but have no
trouble if you want to subdivide! :)

> So what about trial (is that the word ?
Means "three" the way dual means "two". Talarian
doesn't have it; except that you can make a
copulative compound with any cardinal number plus
a noun: pamtranimas paççaxâtati = a fivewoman
walks.

> I mean 3 items
> together). Much more difficult to find
> examples,
> except for the Holy Trinity, isn't it ?
Yep, I guess you could call it trial.

> Yet there seem
> to be some languages including that concept. Is
> it justified ?
Obviously.

Padraic.



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