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Re: A BrSc a?

From:Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>
Date:Monday, April 29, 2002, 20:09
Raymond Brown wrote:
>At 5:45 pm +0000 28/4/02, Andreas Johansson wrote: > >Raymond Brown wrote: >[snip] > >> > >>The trouble with [G] is that it tends to become zero, or [j] before >front > >>vowels. > > > >Well, unless you've got a /j/ phoneme [G]>[j] isn't a problem. > >Yes, indeed. > > >Even [G]>zero > >wouldn't necessarily spell trouble if you've got a strict CV syllable > >structure. > >Agreed again. > >In fact - and keep it quite :) - I'm thinking of having a "zero-onset" >phoneme is 'reformed BrSc' which might be just zero, but has allophones of >[j] before front vowels and [w] before back vowels; before central vowels >it could be [G] or even [?]. > > >But both would be really strange allophones of /x/! > >Not necessarily. In fact both modern Greek and Gaelic have /x/ with >allophone of /C/ before front vowels, and a separate phoneme [G] which is >/j/ before front vowels.
Yes, but the Greeks at least keep the voicing intact in these variations. [x] and [j] as allophones of the same sound would be pretty extreme I do think. Unless there were obvious morphological variations invloving this allophony, I suspect it'd real quick be reinterpreted as two distinct phonemes. Andreas _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>