Re: A BrSc a?
From: | Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...> |
Date: | Monday, April 29, 2002, 20:09 |
Raymond Brown wrote:
>At 5:45 pm +0000 28/4/02, Andreas Johansson wrote:
> >Raymond Brown wrote:
>[snip]
> >>
> >>The trouble with [G] is that it tends to become zero, or [j] before
>front
> >>vowels.
> >
> >Well, unless you've got a /j/ phoneme [G]>[j] isn't a problem.
>
>Yes, indeed.
>
> >Even [G]>zero
> >wouldn't necessarily spell trouble if you've got a strict CV syllable
> >structure.
>
>Agreed again.
>
>In fact - and keep it quite :) - I'm thinking of having a "zero-onset"
>phoneme is 'reformed BrSc' which might be just zero, but has allophones of
>[j] before front vowels and [w] before back vowels; before central vowels
>it could be [G] or even [?].
>
> >But both would be really strange allophones of /x/!
>
>Not necessarily. In fact both modern Greek and Gaelic have /x/ with
>allophone of /C/ before front vowels, and a separate phoneme [G] which is
>/j/ before front vowels.
Yes, but the Greeks at least keep the voicing intact in these variations.
[x] and [j] as allophones of the same sound would be pretty extreme I do
think. Unless there were obvious morphological variations invloving this
allophony, I suspect it'd real quick be reinterpreted as two distinct
phonemes.
Andreas
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