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Indic loans in Euir Twas (was:Re: [CONLANG] Attention Roger! Sanskrit loans in Javanese etc.)

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:40
On 2008-11-24 ROGER MILLS wrote:
 > There's a very complete _listing_ of the loans
 > at Figuring
 > out the phonological treatment is up to you,

Thanks! Great resource once I've sorted out the
encoding! (It's in the obsolete CSX (Classical
Sanskrit eXtended plus, the reason why I always
misspell CXS!)

Thing is I've decided that the traditional Indic-
derived writing system (Lipiir) of my conlang Euir
Twas has a set of rather original correspondences
between Indic letters and Lipiir sound values:

Indic Lipiir Romanir

| /@/         zero, /a/       (a)
| /I/         /i\/            y
| /U/         /u/             w
| /A/         /a/             a
| /i/         /i/             i
| /u/         /y/             u
| /e/         /E/             e
| /o/         /O/             o
| /@i/        /aj/            ai
| /@u/        /aw/            aw
| /r=/        /r\`i\/,/i\r\`/ ry,yr # /mr=t@/ > _myryt_,
/kr=tI/ > _kryty_
| /h/         /x/             h
| /~/         /N_w/           nw  # /p_hala~/ > _falanw, fan_
| /ks`/       /k_h/           kh  # /@ks`@r@/ > _akha_ 'letter'
| /k_h/       /X_w/           q
| /g_h\/      /k_h/,/hk)/     kh, hk
| /c_h/       /s\/            x
| /J\_h\/     /ts\_h/,/hts\)/ ch, hc
| /t`_h/      /h/             h   # /@s\@t`_h@/ > _axaz-, axas_
| /d`/        /r\`/           r   # Pkt /g_h\od`@g@/ > _khork_
| /d`_h\/     /r\`/           r
| /t`j/, /tj/ /ts\/           c
| /t_h/       /r\/            z
| /dj/        /dz\/           j
| /d_h\/      /t_h/           th
| /d_h\j/     /ts\_h/         ch  # /d_h\jAn@/ > _chan_
| /p_h/       /f/             f
| /b_h\/      /p_h/           ph
| /v\/        /b/             b
| /s`/        /x/             h
| /h\/        zero

There are statements in the ancient Indian
phonetic treatises to the effect that the
voiceless aspirates could be affricates --
probably a dialectal feature of Middle Indo-Aryan
-- so the mapping of Indic voiceless aspirates to
voiceless fricatives isn't entirely far-fetched.
Next followed the realization that the 'voiced
aspirates' should be mapped to Euir voiceless
aspirates. [s`] > [x] is well documented in
various languages. Indoaryan itself has cases of
| /s`/ > /k_h/ e.g. /s\Is`j@/ > Panjabi /sIk_h/, thus
| /ks`/ > /k_h/.  The natural follow-up was that Euir
has an old layer of Indic loans with these
correspondences and a younger layer with
correspondences derived from the areally dominant
languages Javanese and Malay.

BTW I found that the name _Twas_/Tuas of the
island where Euir is spoken, which I pulled out of
a hat, probably a hat, probably a Malay loan,
since according to


# Tuas is derived from a daytime fishing method
# uncommon these days. The coastal Malays floated
# coconut fronds and leafy branches kept close
# together by the rising tide. A large net was
# then spread and suspended below. The shade
# provided drew in the fish. More and more were
# attracted until, at a given signal, the net was
# hauled up by the Malay fishermen in the boats.
# Levering or hauling up is menuas, which became
# tuas. Tuas also means "to chop in two pieces",
# "to raise by leverage", and "to support".

My _Twas_ is a different place from the one in the
WP article but it obviously has the same
etymology. The correct Euir spelling is _Twas_,
but the English spelling is probably _Tuas_,
especially as /tHas/ is not a possible Euir word.
(/y/ _u_ is a phoneme, but [H] _u_ is always
derived from underlying /j/ _i_ or /w/ _w_).

/BP 8^)>
Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se
  "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient
  à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil
  ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*,
  c'est qu'elles meurent."           (Victor Hugo)