Re: Aelya GMS phase 1

Aidan wrote:

>  I know Daniel wanted to see this, and I hope the
>rest could provide input or comments as well. I hope
>this is readable.
Yup. I'm sorry the reply is a bit late. I've been
busy and wanted to really read this through thoroughly
before replying.

>Short vowels:
>        i, u > e, o
>        e > e, > i before nasal cluster, in hiatus
So this means no short i or u? In Cein all vowels become
short.

>Long vowels:
>        ó > á, > au in monosyllables
Which is practically everywhere. Monosyllables, that is.

This leads me to a question. What do you do with three-syllable
words like _calima_? Which vowels affect which and in which
order? I think it would be something like _ceilf_ in Cein,
but it could easily be something else. _Calef_ is a possiblity.
_Calf_ is another. So what do you do?

>        ú > au in monosyllables, > o else
>        é > ei in final, > i else
é becomes ui in Cein.

>Note: i, í, and é fricativize following stops
Cool!

>Diphthongs:
>        au > au, > o before cluster
How do you define a cluster? Are there really au + cluster
in Quenya? I can't think of any. They're all au + C, like
_aure_, _cauca_, _nauco_, etc.

>        ai > oe
>        ei > ae, > i before palatized consonant
>        eu > i
>        oi > e
>        ou > o, > au in monosyllables
Ou? In Q?

>        iu > fricative + o
>        ui > oe
>
>Simple Consonants
>unvoiced > voiced between vowels, > frix after i, í,
>é
>voiced > fricatives between vowels
>geminate C remain
>h > nil
All pretty much as in Cein.

>v,w > f init (often > p), v medially
How do you decide when to have f and when to have p?

v and w become gw in Cein.

>j > y init, lost after i-affection medially
>cuV, qu > c with u-affection, > p before back vowels (a, o, u)
This is cool. The u-affection. I'll have to consider this
for Cein. Do you have any examples? Would e.g. _quetta_ 'word'
become _cewd_, instead of _ced_ if I decide to go with this?
Or is the u-affection only regressive, that is only affecting
earlier vowels? I'm guessing the latter.

>initial palatized stops > fricatives
Aha. These were a problem for me. For the moment, I've
decided that these become C + progressive i-affection,
like _tyelma_ 'ending' > _teilf_.

>I should explain how this Pum, tan, king thing works.
>Each of these clusters are related sounds. PUM are all
>labial or back, TAN are dental or mid, KINg are velar
>or front. In clusters, the characteristic vowel of a
>group indicates the kind of affection or
>diphthongization it causes. For example, the cluster
>bd would become dh with u-affection because the b
>(which fricativizes then vocalizes into u) belongs to
>the PUM group.
>
>
>Clusters: PUM/TAN/KIÑ
>        N’      T’      D’      L’      S’      Qu’
>N       N’N’    ND’     NN      DL’     *s      %ñg
>T       T       T       #F’     1       s       %ch
>D       2       T’      %F'     #L’     %dh     %c
>L       LD’     4       #L      L’      Lh      %ch
>S       N’      F’      s       L’h     s       s
>Qu      *c      %F’     %F’     3       s       %ch
>* = compensatory lengthening
># = diphthongization
>% = affection
>F = corresponding fricative
>
>1: initially > TL’, but tl, tr > lh, rh; medially >
>FL’, but tl, cl, cr > lh, lh, rh
>2: dn, bm, gñ > nn, mm, ññ, else #N’
>3: initially > cl, cr, medially > lh, rh
>4: lp, lt, lc > lph, lth, lch; rp, rt, rc > u-aff+r,
>ryd, ryg
This is all very interesting, but a bit hard to interpret.
Could we have some examples to clarify? Is the top row
with the prime-signs supposed to be read before or after
the first column? I mean, is D + T' -> _dt_ -> t' ?
Where does the cluster _dt_ occur in Q? What does the '
mean?

>Compensatory Lengthening
>        i, e > é
>        o, u > ú > ua (?> u-affection+a)
>        a > á
>
>Diphthongization
>        TAN does not create diphthongs, only lengthens back
>vowels
>        KIÑ     PUM
>a       ae      au
>o       oe      au
>u       ui      ú
>e       ei      eu
>i       í       i-aff+u
>
>Affection
>by TAN: comp. len., except i > e > ea /&/, u > o
>by KIÑ: a > e > ei > i, o > e
>by PUM: a > au/o > u, e > eu/i, i > eu
So does {a} by PUM become {u}?

>Diphthongs > monophthongs before clusters in
>polysyllables
>
>A couple example words:
>   tumpo 'hump' > tomb /tom:/
I like the way you keep the silent b.

>   serce 'blood' > seryg /ser@g/
>   tyeli 'grades' > theil /Tejl/
>   Quenya > cein /kejn/
>       note loss of u-affection, since there's no
>preceding vowel to affect
I would *really* like some more examples and a clearer
explanation of the PUM/KIÑ/TAN. The best thing would be
to get examples after every paragraph above, but that
might be asking to much. :)

Very nice and very detailed work, Aidan!

||| daniel

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