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Re: Aelya GMS phase 1

From:Daniel Andreasson <daniel_noldo@...>
Date:Wednesday, June 27, 2001, 10:13
Aidan wrote:

> I know Daniel wanted to see this, and I hope the >rest could provide input or comments as well. I hope >this is readable.
Yup. I'm sorry the reply is a bit late. I've been busy and wanted to really read this through thoroughly before replying.
>Short vowels: > i, u > e, o > e > e, > i before nasal cluster, in hiatus
So this means no short i or u? In Cein all vowels become short.
>Long vowels: > ó > á, > au in monosyllables
Which is practically everywhere. Monosyllables, that is. This leads me to a question. What do you do with three-syllable words like _calima_? Which vowels affect which and in which order? I think it would be something like _ceilf_ in Cein, but it could easily be something else. _Calef_ is a possiblity. _Calf_ is another. So what do you do?
> ú > au in monosyllables, > o else > é > ei in final, > i else
é becomes ui in Cein.
>Note: i, í, and é fricativize following stops
>Diphthongs: > au > au, > o before cluster
How do you define a cluster? Are there really au + cluster in Quenya? I can't think of any. They're all au + C, like _aure_, _cauca_, _nauco_, etc.
> ai > oe > ei > ae, > i before palatized consonant > eu > i > oi > e > ou > o, > au in monosyllables
Ou? In Q?
> iu > fricative + o > ui > oe > >Simple Consonants >unvoiced > voiced between vowels, > frix after i, í, >é >voiced > fricatives between vowels >geminate C remain >h > nil
All pretty much as in Cein.
>v,w > f init (often > p), v medially
How do you decide when to have f and when to have p? v and w become gw in Cein.
>j > y init, lost after i-affection medially >cuV, qu > c with u-affection, > p before back vowels (a, o, u)
This is cool. The u-affection. I'll have to consider this for Cein. Do you have any examples? Would e.g. _quetta_ 'word' become _cewd_, instead of _ced_ if I decide to go with this? Or is the u-affection only regressive, that is only affecting earlier vowels? I'm guessing the latter.
>initial palatized stops > fricatives
Aha. These were a problem for me. For the moment, I've decided that these become C + progressive i-affection, like _tyelma_ 'ending' > _teilf_.
>I should explain how this Pum, tan, king thing works. >Each of these clusters are related sounds. PUM are all >labial or back, TAN are dental or mid, KINg are velar >or front. In clusters, the characteristic vowel of a >group indicates the kind of affection or >diphthongization it causes. For example, the cluster >bd would become dh with u-affection because the b >(which fricativizes then vocalizes into u) belongs to >the PUM group. > > >Clusters: PUM/TAN/KIÑ > N’ T’ D’ L’ S’ Qu’ >N N’N’ ND’ NN DL’ *s %ñg >T T T #F’ 1 s %ch >D 2 T’ %F' #L’ %dh %c >L LD’ 4 #L L’ Lh %ch >S N’ F’ s L’h s s >Qu *c %F’ %F’ 3 s %ch >* = compensatory lengthening ># = diphthongization >% = affection >F = corresponding fricative > >1: initially > TL’, but tl, tr > lh, rh; medially > >FL’, but tl, cl, cr > lh, lh, rh >2: dn, bm, gñ > nn, mm, ññ, else #N’ >3: initially > cl, cr, medially > lh, rh >4: lp, lt, lc > lph, lth, lch; rp, rt, rc > u-aff+r, >ryd, ryg
This is all very interesting, but a bit hard to interpret. Could we have some examples to clarify? Is the top row with the prime-signs supposed to be read before or after the first column? I mean, is D + T' -> _dt_ -> t' ? Where does the cluster _dt_ occur in Q? What does the ' mean?
>Compensatory Lengthening > i, e > é > o, u > ú > ua (?> u-affection+a) > a > á > >Diphthongization > TAN does not create diphthongs, only lengthens back >vowels > KIÑ PUM >a ae au >o oe au >u ui ú >e ei eu >i í i-aff+u > >Affection >by TAN: comp. len., except i > e > ea /&/, u > o >by KIÑ: a > e > ei > i, o > e >by PUM: a > au/o > u, e > eu/i, i > eu
So does {a} by PUM become {u}?
>Diphthongs > monophthongs before clusters in >polysyllables > >A couple example words: > tumpo 'hump' > tomb /tom:/
I like the way you keep the silent b.
> serce 'blood' > seryg /ser@g/ > tyeli 'grades' > theil /Tejl/ > Quenya > cein /kejn/ > note loss of u-affection, since there's no >preceding vowel to affect
I would *really* like some more examples and a clearer explanation of the PUM/KIÑ/TAN. The best thing would be to get examples after every paragraph above, but that might be asking to much. :) Very nice and very detailed work, Aidan! ||| daniel _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at


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