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Re: a case-free language?

From:Thomas R. Wier <trwier@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 5, 2004, 7:47
From:    Garth Wallace <gwalla@...>
> > > This system satisfies the criteria you suggested for -i- and -u- to be > > > adpositions, but they're not what I would think of as adpositions, since > > > they're completely merged with the noun and can't be separated. > > > > If it's phonologically merged with the word but governs a phrase, > > wouldn't it be a clitic?
The class of "clitics" and the class of "postpositions" are not mutually exclusive. Chris Bates wrote:
> Possibly... *shrugs* But the adposition not being merged with one of the > words of the phrase wasn't one of the stated conditions... so if these > don't classify as adpositions (you could define adpositions and clitics > so there's some overlap I suppose), then it would seem there are at > least two conditions for something to be an adposition: > > (i) Does not phonologically merge with any word of the phrase
As I was trying to show in my discussion about Georgian, something *can* indeed phonologically merge with a word, but it must not *morphologically* merge with it.
> (ii) In coordinate clauses, one instance governs all the noun phrases > rather than being repeated for each noun phrase.
It's not that there *must* be one instance; only that there *can* be one instance. English, which undoubtedly has many prepositions, can coordinate two distinct PPs: (a) for men and for women But it can also coordinate two NPs under one PP: (b) for men and women With a true case in a case-marked language, this latter option is unavailable. ========================================================================= Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of 1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. Chicago, IL 60637

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