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Re: a case-free language?

From:Chris Bates <chris.maths_student@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 5, 2004, 8:24
So... if something merges morphological with another word it can't be an
adposition even if it satisfies your criteria? Then there are two
criteria at least:

(i) Not repeated for each NP in coordinate phrases
(ii) Does not merge morphologically with another word

I wasn't arguing that this system was an examples of adpositions, but it
seemed to satisfy your definition and it wasn't what I would think of as
adpostions to I was trying to clarify things. I'm a mathematician lol...
if we see a definition we always try to find problem cases. ;)
Anyway.... *hums* I know you said its disfunctional and doesn't happen
in natural languages, but I might make the equivalent of adpositions
infixes that can have scope over more than one NP in my next language...
I don't care if no speakers anywhere would actually do it. Although
repeated infixes and syllable reduplication etc combined like in Tagalog
always gave me a headache.. it seems much more difficult to retrieve the
root word than it should be.

> >It does indeed satisfy that criterion, and that is the most important >one. Nonetheless, the system you describe is rather dysfunctional. >Ablauting systems, which is basically what you are describing here, are >universally* affixal rather than clitic; there are few, if any, >known examples of clitics existing inside affixal or root material. >(See the works of Arnold Zwicky for more about this.) Thus, your example >amounts to saying that something is both a clitic and a bound affix at the >same time, which is a contradiction in terms. > >* I am usually very wary of making strong claims like this, but in >this case, clitic ablaut runs against linguists' understanding of >affixation entirely, so it is to be accepted only with strong and >clear evidence to that end. > >========================================================================== >Thomas Wier "I find it useful to meet my subjects personally, >Dept. of Linguistics because our secret police don't get it right >University of Chicago half the time." -- octogenarian Sheikh Zayed of >1010 E. 59th Street Abu Dhabi, to a French reporter. >Chicago, IL 60637 > > >

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