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Re: Preventatives

From:John Cowan <cowan@...>
Date:Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 14:40
David G. Durand scripsit:

> I'm not sure I agree with Fodor (or whoever) as I find the second > sentence perfectly normal.
Yes, that wasn't very well worded. Try these: I shot him on Thursday; he died on Friday. a) Therefore, I caused him to die on Friday. [true] b) Therefore, I killed him on Friday. [false] IOW, "kill" is not *simply* the causative of "die".
> Causatives with animate arguments also often carry a notion of intent, > as in the distinction between kill and murder -- and that between > "kill" and "cause to die". This seems a natural implication to me, and > may be hard to avoid in any language spoken by humans.
I don't see it. If I am driving and run over you by accident, I killed you *and* I caused your death, but I certainly didn't murder you. Murder requires intent, but killing does not.
> An outermost not() is maybe less often packed into its argument because > of the availability of general negation -- although we have words like > "abstain from x" for not(do(x)).
In the rather conlangish INTERCAL programming language, the verb ABSTAIN FROM is available; ABSTAIN FROM <label> means "turn the labeled statement into a no-op", whereas ABSTAIN FROM <verb>ING means "turn all statements using that verb into no-ops." The counteraction is REINSTATE. I leave you all to think about ABSTAIN FROM ABSTAINING and ABSTAIN FROM REINSTATING. -- Deshil Holles eamus. Deshil Holles eamus. Deshil Holles eamus. Send us, bright one, light one, Horhorn, quickening, and wombfruit. (3x) Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! -- Joyce, Ulysses, "Oxen of the Sun" jcowan@reutershealth.com

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