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Re: News and a phonology or two...

From:Daniel A. Wier <dawier@...>
Date:Tuesday, January 4, 2000, 10:39
Welcome back.

>(is r`_r the same as j\ ? I'm not sure. Maybe it's the same as j\_a ?)
They might be close, but probably not the same. The first (r`_r) involves retroflexion; the other (j\) is not.
>Is it wildly unrealistic for a human (IE) lang to have all four pairs >/s/,/z/ /S/,/Z/ /s`/,/z`/ and /C/,/j\/ as separate phonemes?
Unlikely but not impossible at all. I reckon certain Caucasian languages may have all eight.
>Vowels: >As yet undecided. Probably either simply i,a,u or somewhere around 15-20 >vowels. Depends how confident I feel describing vowels phonetically... >(usually not very!)
It's best to build like this: start with the basic vowel triangle of i-a-u. Fill in the spaces: i-e-a-o-u, with y (high central unrounded or rounded) between i and u. That's six so far. Or build a triangle of ten, arranged like bowling pins: i 1 } u (and I'm using X-SAMPA like you are) e @ o E O a Then, make your back rounded vowels have front rounded counterparts, and your front unrounded vowels should have back counterparts. So ten becomes sixteen when you add: y W (X-SAMPA doesn't have the high back rounded vowel!) 2 7 9 V And the lowest vowel a could be fronted to { and backed to A or Q. That's eighteen vowels! Tense-lax distinction makes up to 36, and that's not counting short-long, oral-nasal and tones... You'd be hard-pressed to find a natural language with over 20 vowel qualities (but if you include *quantities*, that's a different tale to tell). Danny ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com