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Re: CHAT: "correctness" and syllabification

From:Carlos Thompson <carlos_thompson@...>
Date:Wednesday, July 21, 1999, 3:30
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De: Irina Rempt-Drijfhout <ira@...>
Para: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <CONLANG@...>
Enviado: Martes 20 de Julio de 1999 16:29
Asunto: Re: CHAT: "correctness" and syllabification

> On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Ed Heil wrote: > > > I would pronounce "Charles" as one extremely long syllable (those two > > liquids and the voiced fricative really draw out the sonorance!). > > > > It certainly takes the amount of time that one might take to > > pronounce a two-syllable word, but in my own (fairly generic Midwest > > American) dialect it's only got one syllabic nucleus. > > > > [tSarlz] > > Mine is [tSA:@lz] and takes the same amount of time as "Charlie". The > @ is not really a vocalic shwa, but an intermediate closing of the > mouth between the vowel and the liquid; a shwa-like semivowel, if you > like. I picked up most of the English pronunciation that I use now in > Salisbury (the one in Wiltshire, not in Rhodesia), strongly overlaid > with Canadian and our recent week in London.
If I were speaking in Spanish I would just say ['tCarles]... I'm not pretty sure how is my English pronunciation... but there is no syllabic /l=/... I guess is more like [tSar=ls] or even [tSa@l,s] where [l,] is a retroflex [l]... Swedish influnece? The [ar=] or [a@] are diphthonges... not sure if the [a] is back ([A]), almost sure that finnal <s> is voiceless. -- Carlos Th