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Re: Description question

From:Muke Tever <alrivera@...>
Date:Monday, October 8, 2001, 20:05
From: "Roger Mills" <romilly@...>
Muke Tever wrote:
>>Okay, in my new conlang Dunamy I have sentences like this (morphemes >>separated by periods): >> >> gges.i tak.s ara gae >> chase dog ? cat >> "The dog chases the cat." >> >> pi.ggés gae.s ara tak >> chase dog ? cat >> "The cat is chased by the dog." > >Have you mis-typed in No. 2? Isn't gae 'cat'?
Yes I have. You're right.
>>[<Ara> is a word that marks 'gae' as the patient in the first sentence and >>'tak' as the agent in the second. This looks like active and passive but >>that doesn't seem quite right. Is there a better way to describe this? >>And what do I call <ara>? > >Looks like active/passive-- but I find "ara" very confusing with two such >disparate and contradictory functions.....Is it really necessary in No. 1? >If not, then it could fairly clearly be the agent marker in passive >sentences, like "by".
Well, it is necessary in both sentences. I wouldn't say it's so much contradictory as it marks the "other" core function. <Piggés> in the second sentence basically tells you that the topic marked for tense (gaes) is the patient, and <ggesi> in the first sentence says that the topic marked for tense (taks) is the agent.
>(snips) >>The tense is marked on the subject.] >>How common is it for nouns to be the carrier of tense like this? > >Conlangs aside, not very, I think. Though I recall an Indonesian lang.
that
>uses one set of pronouns for past, a different set for future (don't recall >offhand where present fits in-- since it had hints of being a >realis/irrealis system, present would probably be considered realis, >wouldn't it??)
Hmmkay. *Muke!