Compound cases (was Re: Re: Ergative or Vocative?)
|From:||Eric Christopherson <raccoon@...>|
|Date:||Friday, October 8, 1999, 3:45|
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From: Danny Wier <dawier@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 1999 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Ergative or Vocative?
> Nik wrote:
> > > Gen. of acc. wetamaun k@lumaun [wetamaunw, k@lumaunw]
> >What's "gen. of ace."?
> Genitive of accusative. A case you'd find in languages like Basque (well,
> really genitive of absolutive or ergative); they're referred to as 'casesof
> cases'. (Tech case construction is a complex of internal inflections,
> suffixes and prepositions, and many combinations. There are 'officially'
> about ten cases, give or take, with a ton of locatives.)
Interesting... reminds me of an idea I've had for Dhak. I've been thinking
of just using two or three 'official' cases, with other cases made up of a
word in an 'oblique' case plus a particle (in origin a noun) which itself is
inflected to agree with the word it describes.
Examples (written in X-SAMPA):
den@laBa?a ?ada The child's mother ('mother' is in the absolute case,
'child' is genitive)
den@la 'child' - animate, singular, oblique case
Ba?- root for 'belong to'
Ba?a 'one who belongs (to)' - animate, singular, absolute case
?ada 'mother' - animate, singular, absolute case
den@laBa?u qa:wu The child's tooth ('tooth' abs., 'child' genitive)
den@la and Ba?- as above
Ba?u 'thing which belongs (to)' - inanimate, singular, absolute case
qa:wu 'tooth' - inanimate, singular, absolute case
ja:muteja q_hina The bird in the tree ('bird' abs., 'tree' locative)
ja:mu 'tree' - inanimate, singular, oblique case
tej- root for 'to be with/in/at'
teja 'one who is with/in/at' - animate, singular, absolute case
q_hina 'bird' - animate, singular, absolute case
As you can see, the oblique case is formed the same way as the absolute
case. In fact, they may BE the same case. Does that make sense, or should I
give them different markers?