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Re: LUNATIC again

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Monday, November 9, 1998, 23:58
In Rokbeigalmki i would probably refer to a conlang as _lesna sudaole-ad_
"[artisticly-]created language", _lesna sudbolok-ad_ "built language", or
_lesna suddabolok-ad_ "built-up language".
_aole_ is "creation" referring to a concept or something artistic, as
opposed to _yeished_ which is more physical.
_bolok_ is building something fully, and _dabolok_ is more of adding on
to or improving something already somewhat built.
But those three forms at the top are simple adjectives (using the
adjective prefix _sud-_) that don't really tell you any of the info that
Sally and Herman i might use a different, rarer form that
i refer to unlinguistically as the "noun-adjective", _ool-_.

It's used very strangely....i myself don't even understand it that well.
But what i do understand is that it's a form of the verb-noun with
properties of both a 'doer' noun and a subordinate clause.

the most common example of _ool-_ is in the long form of the common name
of the Rokbeigalm Creator-Deity, _khada-a oolu-kabak dwim-a sudglendm-a_,
"the One who Founded the Great Waters".

khada = one
-a = the

ool + u = "ool", past
kabak = foundation

dwim = waters
sud + glend = "great", adjective-prefix + greatness

So, the _ool-_ is both an adjective and a 'doer' noun.  Normal "doer"
nouns are formed by softening the final consonant, such as _neded_
"wandering" >> _nededh_ /nEdED/ "wanderer".  But _ool-_ can be used in
ways that final consonant softening can't, to specify the time of the
Therefore, using _aole_, another form of saying "conlang" could be:

_lesna ooloi-aole-ad_, using the present-routine vowel _oi_ for a
constantly-being-created language,
_lesna oolu-aole-ad_, using the past tense vowel _u_ for a 'finished'

-Stephen (Steg)

On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:02:31 -0500 Sally Caves <scaves@...>
>That's a lovely distinction. In other words, to leave off building a >language as opposed to finish building a language. > >Teonaht doesn't have a word for "invent" either, yet; but it does have >"build." Nor does it have a distinction, yet, between "built" and >"being >built." Nor does it really have a past participle. To say "the built >house" you say something like "the house underbuilding," with >"building" >as gerund, and "under" meaning "subjected to"; which I suppose can >mean >either that the house is in the process of being built or that it is >finished being built. You say: li gwenda tsobreffodma(rem) to mean >"the >chosen girl" (the girl subjected to choosing). So if you said in T., >li >gallaly tsobhadharem, /l@ g@'lali tsop'hatarEm/, "the language under >or >subjected to building," the "built language," this would cover the >unfinished quality of our "invented" languages quite adequately, >though I >imagine I'd have to introduce some adverb or particle or a different >conjoined preposition to distinguish "having been built" from "under >building." I suppose this is detestably ambiguous, but I note that >natural languages sometimes slip slide around like this. Maybe not >precisely in this area, but in others. That poor encoding, those >unsophisticated sots... I tend to like it.
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