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Re: LUNATIC again

From:Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
Date:Monday, November 9, 1998, 3:45
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 07:04:56 -0500, Logical Language Group
<lojbab@...> wrote:

>"Invented" is a past tense with a sense of the perfective in it, though =
>does not have a good distinction between perfective and imperfective of =
>words. The word "invented" in itself implies the completion of the >process of inventing. A conlang might be the first example in English =
>something that could be called "invented" that should not imply that the >invention process is complete. (I note that in addition to =
perfective/imperfective issues here we also have the distinction between = completion and ending of
>a process. Lojban can make all these distinctions with ease. English =
> >Boy, I never thought we'd come up with such a good example of English =
that is
>subject to poor encoding by an unsophisticated conlanger. Anyone still =
>this might look at their conlang to see whether they can distinguish =
>the possible senses of "invented" in ways that English cannot. Since =
>does not make the distinction, "invented" will usually be taken to mean =
"done". Jarrda doesn't have a word for "invent" per se, although compounds that mean approximately "new + design", "new + build", or "new + create" are possible. In this context, I'd probably leave out the "new", and just say that I "design" (thlar), "build" (cir) or "create" (rrig) languages. To bring to an end while in progress or unfinished is "rrek", in contrast to "poam", which means to complete or finish. Thus, if I wanted to say that = I invented a language in the sense of "finished creating" it, I'd say "poam rrig zira tal". On the other hand, to say that I've been constructing a language, but left it in an unfinished state, "rrek cir zira tal". (And that's without even going into the tense/aspect distinctions). =46ew of my earlier languages could make these kinds of distinctions, but that was one of the reasons I started designing languages like Jarrda. Of course, one benefit of being the designer of a language is that you can = add new words as necessary to express whatever distinction you want to make.