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CHAT: Tepa & CHAT: Re: minimum phonemes, was Re: vrindo

From:A Rosta <a.rosta@...>
Date:Friday, July 16, 1999, 15:06
A message on classification. ObConlang bit first.

IIRC, Tepa is an isolate, but phonologically similar to the group of
whose name escapes me at present but includes Shoshone. Is this due
to areal influence, do we think, or to the fact that the only informant
was in
fact a native speaker not of Tepa but of (?) Paiute?

> Hm, I'll have to have a look at that article. Incidentally, to
> my original comment, I don't think there's anyone out there who
> believes that Japanese is an Austronesian language
Only since Paul Benedict's death (I think).
> - so my use of the term > "substrate" here is perhaps misleading. What's at issue is whether or > not 'Proto-Japanese' speakers had any significant contact with
> speakers which might have had some effect on the language. People
> argued that there are old Austronesian loanwords in Japanese, for
> I could also see Austronesian languages having an impact on the
> of Japanese (which is quite different from Korean or any other Altaic > language), much as Eastern Bantu had an influence on the phonology of > Malagasy, or Khoisan had an influence on the phonology of Southern
> (all those clicks in Zulu and Xhosa, etc.). But as I say, I don't
> the facts...
There is a reputable but neglected Sino-Austronesian hypothesis, according to which Chinese is Austronesian. I forget now whether the Tibetan half of Sino Tibetan also goes in with Austronesian. The problem with all such proposals like these is that they tend to be published in obscure and inaccessible places, with available books on classification either defeastistically conservative or based on imagination rather than scholarship. At any rate, the S(T)AN hypothesis fits with what Matt says. --And.