CHAT: Tepa & CHAT: Re: minimum phonemes, was Re: vrindo
|From:||A Rosta <a.rosta@...>|
|Date:||Friday, July 16, 1999, 15:06|
A message on classification. ObConlang bit first.
IIRC, Tepa is an isolate, but phonologically similar to the group of
whose name escapes me at present but includes Shoshone. Is this due
to areal influence, do we think, or to the fact that the only informant
fact a native speaker not of Tepa but of (?) Paiute?
> Hm, I'll have to have a look at that article. Incidentally, toclarify
> my original comment, I don't think there's anyone out there whoseriously
> believes that Japanese is an Austronesian language
Only since Paul Benedict's death (I think).
> - so my use of the term
> "substrate" here is perhaps misleading. What's at issue is whether or
> not 'Proto-Japanese' speakers had any significant contact withAustronesian
> speakers which might have had some effect on the language. Peoplehave
> argued that there are old Austronesian loanwords in Japanese, forexample.
> I could also see Austronesian languages having an impact on thephonology
> of Japanese (which is quite different from Korean or any other Altaic
> language), much as Eastern Bantu had an influence on the phonology of
> Malagasy, or Khoisan had an influence on the phonology of SouthernBantu
> (all those clicks in Zulu and Xhosa, etc.). But as I say, I don'tknow
> the facts...
There is a reputable but neglected Sino-Austronesian hypothesis,
which Chinese is Austronesian. I forget now whether the Tibetan half of
Tibetan also goes in with Austronesian. The problem with all such
like these is that they tend to be published in obscure and inaccessible
with available books on classification either defeastistically
or based on imagination rather than scholarship. At any rate, the S(T)AN
hypothesis fits with what Matt says.