Re: laterals (was: Pharingials, /l/ vs. /r/ in Southeast Asia)

I've been reading with a mix of emotions, and swearing to myself that I
would not jump into the middle of things. However...

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:11:08 -0500 Javier BF <uaxuctum@...> wrote.

>>Right ... and if "lateral release is produced", then it's a stop with
>>lateral release!  Lateral release contrasts with central release.  It's
>>just that no one says, for example, "dental stop with central release"
>>because it's redundant, central release being the default.  Just as no
>>one says "pulmonic egressive dental stop".
>
>The terminology can be confusing because it is
>difficult to differentiate between the double
>articulations involving sequential central and
>lateral releases and the simple ones involving
>only lateral releases. But "lateral fricative"
>is used to refer to the simple articulation
>involving only a lateral release with friction,
>so it seems logical that the term "lateral stop"
>should refer to the simple articulation that
>involves only a lateral release with plosion and
>that "dental stop with lateral release" refers
>to a double articulation, since "dental stop"
>alone refers to an articulation with central
>release. When you say "dental stop with nasal
>release" your not referring to a dental n (i.e.
>"dental nasal stop"), are you? "Dental stop with
>nasal release" is used for the double articulation
>with a sequential oral and nasal release, so why
>would you take "dental sop with lateral release"
>to refer to a "lateral stop" instead of to the
>double articulation?
Can I run out a list of /d/-like sounds, along with some descriptions, and
you just tell me when I've got one wrong?

dental stop /d/

dental nasal approximant /n/
Arguably an approximant since there's no actual plosion.

prenasalised dental stop /nd)/
Note that /@nd@/ and /@nd)@/ are different, one being a sequence of phones
and the other a combined phone

dental stop with nasal release /d_n/

dental lateral approximant /l/

prelateralised dental stop /ld)/
I think this is what Javier calls a "lateral stop".

dental stop with lateral release /d_l/
I don't know the CXS for this particular sound, but you get the idea, right?

glottal stop with nasal release /?_n/
I'd call this a nasal stop, if sufficiently provoked, though I'd be careful
to give the CXS

glottal stop with lateral release /?_l/
If I were adding this sound to a conlang, I'd call it a lateral stop, and
add the CXS and a description



Paul