YAE*T: Quoting (was: Antipassive?)
|From:||Eugene Oh <un.doing@...>|
|Date:||Friday, May 23, 2008, 5:59|
I didn't know what to label this: thought of using YAEPT (for Punctuation)
just for laughs, then realised I probably shouldn't mess around with the
In any case, you were right, Lars. Here is the Quoting thread. (: Mainly
because I don't know enough about PIE to make any constructive comments on
your main post, but: inside quotes looks instinctually wrong to me.
I would have written "r-form of firde is used to mean 'behave'." and "r-form
of agit means 'look', 'appear'." etc.
Seems more logical to me!
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Lars Finsen <lars.finsen@...> wrote:
> I am tempted to reclassify the Urianian r-form verbs, which I have called
> reflexive before. You can use it to form reflexive forms and meanings. For
> example, the r-form of firde (carry) is used to mean 'behave.' The r-form of
> agit (see) means 'look, appear.' The r-form of brigid (ask) means 'wonder.'
> In fact, I have noted brigrid as a verb in its own right. Probably firurde
> should be one, too. In these constructions, a transitive verb is turned into
> a new intransitive verb.
> But there are other functions, too. Consider the difference between 'di
> ugem' - I talked to you, and 'ugrent' - we talked. Similar, but not exactly.
> And then I find that r-verbs also can take an argument. 'Fazurent nidrant' -
> we watched out for enemies. However, nidrant is a dative. So even if a new
> verb fazurid could be construed meaning 'watch out for something,' it
> doesn't work that way because then it should have an accusative argument. Am
> I having an antipassive, or a deponent, or what?
> There are of course several other, more or less ancient, IE languages
> having such r-forms. I found I needed them because I had so many names in my
> big Urianian name collection with -r endings. For example, today I analysed
> the name Galtir, which seems to be from galt 'figure, image,' hence the verb
> galtid 'cut a (fine) figure' - from *koldos 'something hewn.'
> Incidentially the reason why I have so many names is that I liked to
> simulate sporting events when I was a kid. One of the several weird things I
> did when other kids were doing their homework. I just found another old book
> a couple of days ago full of fresh names to analyse. Among them Tirm Armoz,
> the shot-putter from Kerkoran, personal best 16.52 meters, and Arza Dindin,
> female javelin thrower from Derekia, pb 53.36 (though this is with the old
> javelin used in the 70s, of course).
> ...P.s.: Today I used quoting the way I was taught in English class at
> school, with inside punctuation. To me it looks really weird, and I don't
> think I will use it again. But to you it looks fine, I guess?...
> ...P.p.s.: Will I be starting a quoting thread now?...