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Re: Jackendoff's "Semantic (?) Structures"

From:And Rosta <a.rosta@...>
Date:Wednesday, April 21, 2004, 23:32
I've just seen this message & find that I've just sent off
a long message that repeats what John Quijada had already
said, which is both embarrassing (because the second person
to bring the news is a bore) and encouraging (because we
agree). My apologies, but let me reiterate John's
recommendation of Leonard Talmy's _Toward a cognitive
semantics_ (2 vols).

--And.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philippe Caquant" <herodote92@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CONLANG] Jackendoff's "Semantic (?) Structures"


> Oh, so I was a cognitivist and I didn't know it ! > Thanks for bringing to light unknown aspects of my > personality ;-) > > Anyway, I think that even if someone doesn't agree > with Jackendoff, this book (Semantic Structures) is > quite interesting. The difficult thing is like > usually, to know where the author wants to get to, so > I read the Epilogue to have an idea of it. I also > noticed the idea (I already read somewhere before) > that the brain handles with primitives it disposes of > ever before having any world experience (J. calls it > the "basic machinery"). As an example, he points out > that iterative (repetition of an event) is, > essentially, the same primitive concept as plural. One > applies to events, the other one to things. That's not > bad. Now I really have to READ this book (up till now, > I just jumped from one chapter to another, being eager > to fetch the main ideas). > > I think J. refers to Talmy here and there (also to > Marr, who seemed to have had a very exciting idea > about spatial and structural representation of an > object, put in a linguistic way). I also heard of > Lakoff before, but never read anything from him. How > much remains to read before I die ! > > --- John Quijada <jq_ithkuil@...> wrote: > > Philippe Caquant wrote: > > > > > > Your statements point out quite clearly the flaw in > > approaching semantics > > from a syntactic perspective, as Jackendoff does. > > IMHO, the only group of > > linguists so far who are on the right track when it > > comes to semantics are > > the cognitivists such as Leonard Talmy, Gilles > > Fauconnier and George > > Lakoff. Talmy's 2-volume set "Toward a Cognitive > > Semantics" has been > > extremely influential in my own conlanging efforts. > > > > > ===== > Philippe Caquant > > "High thoughts must have high language." (Aristophanes, Frogs) > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash >