Re: [QUESTION] Initial Geminants

From: "Roger Mills" <romilly@...>
> Muke Tever wrote:
> >
> >My lang Ibran has initial geminates phonemically, but by default they're
> not
> >allowed to appear except after a vowel.
> >
> >        scuil        /k:O:l/      [kO:]
> >        un scuil     /In k:O:l/   [E~k:O:]
>
>
> That suggests to me that (in at least this case) the geminate probably
> derives from  earlier pre-aspiration-- *sk... > **hk... >  k:...  Certainly
> possible.  Perhaps Future Spanish will have this.  escuela > [(e)k:wela]; or
> [xa'mon] 'ham, sg.', [x:a'mone:] (via [lox:a'moneh])  plural.  Hey,
> mutations!!!
This is in fact exactly what happens in Ibran ;)

I am not sure yet whether fricatives geminate in that environment (they havent
been.. but I really dont see why they shouldnt), but stops certainly do.  (But
sonorants degeminate.. we already had *VRV > VR:V so *VsRV > *VhRV > *VRV)

In the cyrillized orthography I am developing for Ibran, (de-)gemination is
marked with a reversed-C (like the symbol for [O]).   So (I am afraid I lose 85%
of you here for using UTF-8)

    ɔкол
    �н ɔкол
the above two examples

    жÑ� É”ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ñ        /ZEk:o:l/  [ZE"k:O:l]
the plural of 'un scuil': 'di scuiles'

    лы п�й         /l3pe/    [l3"pe]
    лыɔ пьы       /l3p:j3/  [l3"p:j3]
the foot 'le pey' vs. the feet 'les peyes' (from [pej3] > *[pejj3] > [pj3])

        *Muke!
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