Re: Finnish, IE, Germanic

 --- "M. Astrand" <ysimiss@...> wrote: > Robert
B Wilson <han_solo55@...> wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:12:18 +0200 "M. Astrand"
> <ysimiss@...>
> >writes:
> >> Robert B Wilson <han_solo55@...> wrote:
> >> >Germanic *_jehwla_; Finnish _juhla_
> 'celebration, festival, party'
> >>
> >> I don't know, but it sounds likely that they are
> connected.
> >> If *jehwla also is the origin of Swedish jul
> "Christmas", that was
> >> later
> >> borrowed to Finnish again as joulu. :)
> >
> >perhaps this word was borrowed into Germanic, as i
> cannot find an IE
> >etymology for it?
>
> I visited library again, and according to the books
> *jehwla- or *jegwla-
> actually is a Germanic word borrowed into Finnish.
> And yes, that is where Sw. jul comes from.
well, we have it ourselves in the word |Yule|, which
was, iirc, the pagan midwinter festival. hence
yuletide and yule logs ( or are these confined to
england/uk ? )

in iceland they also have |júl| for 'xmas'

bn

just checked the oed, which says ( unfortunately they
use graphics for non-standard letters and they don't
copy ) :

(jul) Forms: 1 eol, eochol, eoh(h)ol, -el, eh(h)ol,
ehhel, eola, iula, 2 iol, 2-4 ol (yol), 3 eol, 4 ool,
4-5 ole, 5 oil(l, yoyll(e, owle, yowle, youle, yole,
yoole, wle, (yold(e), 5- 7 ule, 6 oile, uill, ull,
owill, -ell, oull, eoll, (ewle), 6-7 yeul, yewl, yool,
yuill, uil, (ule, 9 yuhl), 6- yule. Also dial. (in
comb.) 7 yew, 7-8 yu, u. [The modern form descends
from OE. eól, earlier eoh(h)ol, eh(h)ol, also eóla
sometimes pl.) Christmas day or Christmastide, and in
phr. se rra eóla December, se æftera eóla January;
corresp. to ON. jól pl. a heathen feast lasting twelve
days, (later) Christmas. An Old Anglian iuli, recorded
by Bede (see quot. 726 in sense 1) as the name of
December and January, corresponds to ON. ýlir month
beginning on the second day of the week falling within
Nov. 10-17, and Goth. jiuleis in fruma jiuleis
November. The ultimate origin of the Teut. types
*jeul- (jeul-) and *jeul-:pre-Teut. *jeqwl- is
obscure.]

http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/00290731?query_type=word&queryword=yule&edition=2e&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&search_id=ttYL-sBdY1K-1234&hilite=00290731

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