Re: OT: Musical languistics
|From:||J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>|
|Date:||Thursday, June 5, 2003, 2:52|
In a message dated 2003:06:04 02:08:16 AM, christophe.grandsire@FREE.FR
>I still remember when I visited the Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam (museum
>of Modern Art) with my partner. Some things I liked, some not, but I always
>recognised that it was works of art, even when I didn't like it. But close
>to the end of the visit, I saw a ladder, a chair, and a bucket with a broom
>in it, just put there on a corner of the corridor. And I said to Jan: "Nice
>museum, but the cleansing department could have at least taken back their
>things!". Jan reacted quite surprised, and pointed out the little plate
>on the wall indicating that it was a work of art!!!
ROTFLMAO @ CG
>I then argued with him that it was *not* art, because otherwise I wouldn'thave >mistaken it for the cleansing department's material (he said that because
*I* mistook >it, it was not enough not to call it art. I replied that if a
>who is otherwise very artistically inclined as myself and certainly not
>a classicist, fails to recognise that a piece is a work of art - and not
>just not like it, no, really not see it was meant to be art at all! -, then
>it's not a piece of art). You needn't put a big "ART" on things so that they
>really become art, but art can't just be in your head, as you said very
>well. Art has to "speak", if only to say "Hi! I'm art". It doesn't mean
>I have to like it. But if I just fail to recognise something as a piece of
>art, then I can safely say that it's not art. It's not just a matter of
IMHO you are forgetting the great _French_ Dada Marcel Duchamp and his
_objets trouves_, i.e. the urinal signed "R. Mutt."
Also the _French_ Surrealist concept of "automatic sculpture" comes to
[Hehe, rubbin' the French-ness in... What's a lil rough ribbing amongst
friends, eh, CG?]
In wry, subversive way, calling found objects "art" is way of
_otstraneniye_ - a Russian word and Formalist term - roughly meaning "to make the
At the very least, things we take for granted deserve closer examination
purely on "aesthetic experience."
At most, closer examination of both our lives and the objects in them
mayhaps will lead to betterment of said lives and objects...
"The unexamined life is a wasted one..."
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& Gatherer of Extremely Enlightening Knowledge (or GEEK, for short ;)
"To live is to scrounge, taking what you can in order to survive. So,
since living is scrounging, the result of our efforts is to amass a pile of
- Chuang Tzu/Zhuangzi, China, 4th Century BCE
"The most beautiful order is a heap of sweepings piled up at random."
- Heraclitus, Greece, 5th Century BCE
Ars imitatur Naturam in sua operatione.
[Latin > "Art is the imitation of Nature in her manner of operation."]
" jinsei to iu mono wa, kichou na geijyutsu to ieru deshou "
[Japanese > "one can probably say that 'life' is a precious artform"]
in more radical, paracultural terms: "the (R)Evolution of the Everyday"
"There is no total revolution, there is only _perpetual_ Revolution,
real life, like love, dazzling at every moment." - Paul Eluard
"oh shiny" - Kiki the Ferret
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