Re: CHAT: Paths etc (was: CHAT:Conscripts)

Hi!

R A Brown writes:
> Henrik Theiling wrote:
>...
>  > Since I think I modelled (and even changed) this pronunciation after
>  > L1 speakers, my question was: are there any L1 speakers that do this
>  > or was I misguided?  You seem to indicate the latter.
>
> IMO you are indeed. A pronunciation like /pAs/ would be understood as
> "pass," pronounced variously as /pAs/ or /p&s/ and their
> reflexes. Plural after a vowel is definitely /z/.
>
> IME /Ts/ and /Dz/ maintain their individual sounds.
>...
Hmm.  I think I should try to pronounce that differently then.  Or
simply start a new dialect.  I think it started with 'clothes' which
probably ends more like -/Dz/.

> Those L1 anglophones who have problems with /T/ or /D/ habitually
> substitute /f/ and /v/,
>...
I never had any problems with it actually (I never found [T] hard, and
there are many clusters in German), but, well, dunno where I got it
from.

>... a pronunciation that has increased among the younger
> generations here in England and Wales (not sure about Scotland) at a
> surprising rate over the past 50 years.
Ah.  I knew there were dialects that had that, I did no know it was
increasingly used.  As in 'Fjodor'. :-)

Thanks for the clarification!  And I welcome any L1 speaker to join my
new dialect should (s)he happen to pronounce |paths| as /pAs/. :-)

**Henrik

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