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R: Language standards (was: "y" and "r")

From:Mangiat <mangiat@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 3, 2001, 12:52
Ray Brown wrote:

> >> Raymond Brown wrote: > >> > I would > >> > assume, and I guess most others would, that it'd be the way an
> >> > Italian speaking what most text books give as standard Italian. > >> > >> But there's no such standard in English. There is such a standard if > >> you're specifying British English, but American English has no such > >> standard, it seems to have regional standards. I'm not sure if > >> Australian English has such a standard, but at any rate, there's > >> definitely no standard for "World English". > >> > > > >Italian hasn't an established standard, as well. > > Yet textbooks seem fairly agreed (not 100%, I admit) on what Italian > ideally should be like.
The magic word is 'ideally' : ) Really, before the spread of television (in the 70s) it could still be very difficult finding common people with acceptable pronounciation, especially in rural areas (this summer I've been on a mtb trip in a wood 10 kms southern than Como, in a rural area; we've had to ask some directions, and we've found a 25 yrs old boy who actually could not speak properly Italian - it was Lombard - I let you imagine which could be the situation 20 yrs ago).
> >For istance, the way Tuscanians pronounce a word should be the rule; > > I thought it was "Tuscan as pronounced by Romans" :)
: )
> >I think that there is no great barrier between northerners and
> >*when both are speaking Standard Italian*. But of course people in both > >North and South often speak their so-called local dialects, which really > >amount > >to separate languages -- indeed, far northern Italian dialects are > >really Gallo-Romance rather than Italo-Romance at all. > > Precisely what I meant. But large regional differences like this
> influence the way a standard language is pronounced, and Mangiat's email > seems to bear this out.
That's what I meant. Luca