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Re: Ergative?

From:The Gray Wizard <dbell@...>
Date:Wednesday, January 30, 2002, 13:17
> From: Christophe Grandsire > > En réponse à The Gray Wizard <dbell@...>: > > > > > While this aspect of ergativity ("morphological ergativity") is the > > most > > obvious, ergative languages often exhibit other features that make > > things a > > bit more complicated. For one thing, most ergative languages are not > > "strictly" ergative. That is, many exhibit mixed or split paradigms > > that > > require accusative forms under certain conditions. AFMCL, amman iar > > uses a > > split ergative paradigm along an animacy continuum that causes speech > > act > > pronouns and demonstratives to take nominative/accusative forms. > > Another, > > often overlooked, aspect of ergativity is "syntactic ergativity" > > whereby > > clause combinations and the omission of coreferential constituents in > > clause > > combinations are subject to ergatively motivated constraints. This is > > also > > a feature of amman iar. I discuss these features with a number of > > examples > > at http://www.graywizard.net/Conlinguistics/ergativity.htm For anyone > > serious about understanding ergativity I would recommend reading > > Dixon's > > text "Ergativity". > > > > Well, I know all that, but since the person had stated that he didn't know > anything about ergativity, and since my explanatory skills are > limited (I wish > I had the ease of most people here to transform complex concepts > into obvious > explanations :(( ), I just gave a simple explanation of pure morphological > ergativity. I thought of adding a bit about split-ergativity, to > spice up the > sauce, but decided that my explanations probably had confused the > poor guy even > more than he was before (you see how much I trust my skills :)) > ), so I stopped > there, knowing that someone else on the list would provide for better > explanations.
I meant no disparagement of your explanation of morphological ergativity. I found it quite lucid. I only meant to add to your description some often overlooked aspects of ergativity. Stay curious, David David E. Bell The Gray Wizard dbell@graywizard.net www.graywizard.net AIM: GraWzrd Wisdom begins in wonder.