Types of rounding

Andreas Johansson wrote:
> Quoting "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>:
>
>
>>On 1/10/06, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:
>>
>>>>What's an 8\ ? I don't see that on the CXS chart.
>>
>>>It's a sign Benct Philip Jonsson and I are trying to make the 'stablished
>>
>>one
>>
>>>for a labialized rounded mid-high front vowel
>>
>>Oh.   Isn't "labialized rounded" redundant?   How do you labialize
>>without rounding?
>
>
> You can't labialize without rounding, but you can round without labialization.
>
> Labialized rounded is a kind of exaggerated rounding with the lips projecting
> out  a bit. In Swedish, the back rounded vowels are pronounced with this sort
> of rounded, but this doesn't contrast with normal rounding. However, the
> formerly back 'u' vowel retains it, despite having become front, and only
> differs from 'ö' by the later having normal rounding.
That sounds the opposite of what the Wikipedia has to say on the topic:
It says that compressed rounding do not have protruding lips, and it
says that Swedish /u\:/=long u is has compressed rounding.

I suspect the Wikipedia is confused. Compressed rounding is described as
being normal for front rounding, and without protrusion, and Japanese is
being regarded as odd in that has /u/ as compressed. Also, Swedish /y:/
sounds (and looks) really odd to me, at least as produced by my Swedish
boss ultimately from Stockholm; whereas her Swedish /u\:/ sounds almost
the same as my AusE /u\:/=long oo, and I have the same lipshape
more-or-less in /u\:/, /U/, /3:/ and /o:/=born.

So my assumption of the situation is...

Compressed vowel = unlabialised rounding
  	found in - Japanese /u/ (as Wikip. says) [1]
	         - Swedish /y/ (contra Wikip.)
	         - most languages front roundeds [1]

normal rounding = labialised rounding
	found in - Swedish /u\:/ [2]
	         - AusE. /u\:/
	         - most languages back roundeds [1]

   Refs:
   [1]: "Types of rounding" in "Rounded vowel"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounded_vowel#Types_of_rounding where it says
   	In endolabial rounding, the corners of the mouth are drawn
	slightly together and the lips may be compressed horizontally,
	but the lips do not protrude and only their outer surface is
	exposed. In exolabial rounding, the lips protrude like a tube,
	as when kissing; the inner surface of the lips is exposed.
	Usually, back rounded vowels are exolabial, while front rounded
	vowels are endolabial. However, in Japanese, the back high vowel
	is endolabial.
   [2]: "Close front compressed vowel"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_front_compressed_vowel where it says
	Occurs in:
	- Central Swedish: ut [u\_+:t] or [u\_+Bt], 'out'

The Wikipedia confusion is probably caused by a misunderstanding of
compressed as having compressed vowel==odd rounding for fronting. Of
course, "compressed vowel" really means (according to their definition)
unlabialised rounding.

Or am I misunderstanding Wikipedia?

> (Again, my 'lect is deviant on this point - instead of [8\:] I have [u\:] with
> normal rounding. I still labialize my back rounded vowels.)
Normal rounding is labialised? If so, that sounds like what Camilla must
have. (It's also possible that my Swedish boss's Swedish has been
tainted by living in Australia so long.)

Also, does anyone know if labialised or unlabialised rounding is the
norm for central rounded vowels?

--
Tristan.

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