Re: Insult (jara: Weekly Vocab 8)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Insult (jara: Weekly Vocab 8)


> On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:31:56AM -0500, David Barrow wrote:
> > > JF [jIr m@Dr w@ z@ h&@mstr En dZr faDr smEL t@ vEldrbEriz]
> > > Joe [jO: mVD@ w@z@ h&mst@, n= jO: fA:D@ smEl?@v Eld@bEriz]
>
> > This is quite interesting to compare.
>
> Actually, each of them is interesting on its own to me, for different
> reasons.  The pronunciation [jIr] for "your" sounds Fargoish to
> me, while "h&@mster" has more Southern connotations.    Meanwhile,
> Joe's lack of rhoticization and the glottal stop in [smEl?@v] smack of
> British, but I can't recall ever hearing a British person produce
> [&]  unless they were putting on an American accent.  The British
> "short A" sound seems to be more like [a] or even a shortened [A].
How odd.  "British short a", to me, sounds exactly the same as "American
short a".  However, in words such as 'bath', 'grass', and most two-syllable
words, an American short A becomes a English |ar|-type sound ([A:]).  (in
southern English).  This means [A:] is a lot more common in  English English
than American English.

eg. Basketball: StAmE [b&skItbOl](I think) vs. RP [bA:skItbO:l]

However, some short words, such as 'ham', 'cat', and some long ones,
'hamster', have [&].  I can't seem to find any particular rule, so I would
classify them simply as two different sounds.



> For reference, I would pronounce the sentence thus:
>
>         [jr'm@Drw@z@'h&mstrn=jr'fADrsmElt@v'Eldr,bEriz]
>
> -Mark
>

Replies