Re: How to Make Chicken Cacciatore (was: phonetics by guesswork)

--- In conlang@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Johansson <andjo@F...> wrote:
> Quoting j_mach_wust <j_mach_wust@Y...>:
>
> > FWIK, the Swiss/Alemannic opposition of fortis and lenis is the same
> > as in Finnish, even though the Alemannic opposition is represented as
> > [d_0] vs. [t(:)], whereas the Finnish isn't called a fortis-lenis
> > opposition and is represented as [t] vs. [t:].
>
> Hm. I hear Finnish 't' as /t/, not /d/, which I'd expect if it were
a dental or
> alveolar voiceless non-aspirated lenis stop. I guess it might be not
lenis
> enough.
Voiced stops are definitely voiced medially in Swiss German,
not just lenis.  To me, they also sound voiced initially, but
I might just not be able to hear the difference there.  IINM
Finnish single stops are voiceless in all positions.


-- Christian Thalmann