Re: Not phonetic but ___???

On Apr 16, 2004, at 3:13 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:21:04PM +0300, Steg Belsky wrote:
>> In the New York City area, "grass" is [gr\e@s] and "hat" is [h&t].
>
> Huh.  [gr\e@s] sounds like something I'd expect to hear in Texas, not
> New Yawk City!  For me, those two words have the same vowel; it is
> before a voiced velar ([g] or [N]) that said vowel morphs into a
> diphthong.  I don't think it's [e@], though; it feels more like [&e].
> -Mark

Now [&e] is what sounds Texan to me!
The vowel used in N'Yawk that i wrote as [e@] probably actually starts
in between [e] and [E], but that's definitely what it sounds like to
me.
There are places out on Long(g) Island where all their vowels sound
like either [e@] or [O@]  :) .  Actually, both of them probably begin
in the middle of their side of the trapezoid... is there any way to
write the vowels midway between [e]~[E] and [o]~[O]?
Those vowels, along with [i\] and [a] (taking [a] as midway between [&]
and [A]) are the four vowels of my proto-Gabwe conlang.


-Stephen (Steg)
  "Well, I don't agree with them, obviously.
   I understand your point on it,
   that they may make the same claims,
   but I follow my faith not theirs."
      ~ k @ eM

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