R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Latin loans in Welsh
|Date:||Thursday, June 14, 2001, 17:01|
> >> The process is this: In the oldest levels of the language, there were
> >> the same five vowel declensions Latin had plus three special consonant
> >> declensions (-n, -t, -r/-s) which were largely declined like -i stems.
> >> By the 15th century or so, the -o and -u stems are largely coalescent;
> >> by the late 19th, the current state of affairs is found where there's
> >> essentially one declension. What's happening is that -r, -n, -s, and
> >> -t are becomming reanalysed into (official) plural terminations.
> >Were the five decl. still alive in the 15th cent.? Interesting...
> I have to work at revising the ancient and medieval paradigms...
> The -a declension has always been the strongest and most resistant
> to loss or change of forms.
Which makes sense to me. French went through the same passage, with the -a
> -e as the only surviving ending.
>Even now, you hear -a as the accusative
> ending with frequency - while all the other declensions have levelled
> to silent -e:
> /la kanta i xanti il kants i xanti/
> /la~ ganta i xants le~ gant i xants/
> La canta (f) = song; il cantes (m) = language. In spelling, the 5
> declesnions lasted quite a while, though the pronunciation changed.
> >> [You don't get the dative in daily speech. I'm also sure that [o]
> >> isn't the right IPA for the second vowel in the plural, but you
> >> get the idea.]
> >> Probably what's going to happen is _all_ nouns will end up in one of
> >> these four new declensions, with reworking of the case endings.
> >This is a great idea. And does the present stage of the written language
> >reflect this?
> No. Well, maybe. :) There are approximately 6 semi-official
> orthographies and writing systems in use at this time (and I'm not
> going to bother trying to keep them straight). On the fringe is, in
> fact, a written / grammatical variety that reflects the current state.
> For the most part, the literary situation would be about like seeing
> "As hyt ys yknowe hou3 meny maner people buth in this ylond, ther buth
> also of so meny people longages and tonges; notheles Walschmen and
> Scottes, that buth no3t ymelled with other nacions, holdeth wel ny3
> here furste longage and speche, bote 3ete Scottes, that were som tyme
> confederat and wonede with the Pictes, drawe somwhat after here
> speche." while actually reading "As it is i-known how many manner
> people be in this Island, there be also many languages and tongues.
> Netheless Walshmen and Scottes that be not meddled with other naciouns
> keep yet nigh their first langage and speeche, but yet tho scottes
> that were sometimes confederate and dwelled with the Pyctes draw
> somwhat after their speche."
> There is talk of actually getting everyone together to come up with
> a balanced Official Formula that will constitute "good" Kerno.
Interesting... such things actually happen very often with minor langs.
Comes to mind the innumerable ways to write 'Plattdietsch' and... my Lombard