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Re: TAKE 2nd verb page updatedc

From:Douglas Koller <laokou@...>
Date:Saturday, November 3, 2007, 17:58
From: Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>

> This sounds quite baroque, though.
Did someone say baroque?!
> R A Brown writes:
> > As I wrote the use of the definite article instead of a relative > > pronoun is found in Homer & some dialects.
> The German relative pronoun is very similar to the article.
The Géarthnuns relative pronoun was originally, at least in the nominative, identical to the definite article, as German was one of the languages I was studying in my high school daze. It further developed somewhat over the years, becoming a kind of hybrid between a noun and the article, and then nominal polarity came onto the scene, but the connection to the article is still readily apparent (examples in the nom. sing.): 1st decl. chö vö chöb vökh 2nd decl. chau vau chaur vaum 3rd decl. chöi vöi chöit vöidh 4th decl. cha va chan vap 5th decl. chü vü chük vüd 6th decl. chí ví chíl víf 7th decl. che ve cheth veg
> > Arguably such clause are > > adjectival and attributive. Certain this construction is found in > > medieval Greek, e.g. > > τὰ βουίδα τὰ ἐλάβετε > > the oxen the you-took, i.e. the oxen [which] you took
> Exactly like German: > die Ochsen, die Du namst
Here the further developments become evident: chök zheteraubsöp, chöböch öçek lé hakuzh (sho) the oxen/nom.-pl, which/acc.-pl. you/nom. past take (sho)
> > εἰς τὸν τόπον τὸν ὁ Θεὸς σὲ ἔδωκεν > > into the+ACC place the+ACC the+NOM God you gave > > into the place which God gave you
> Again, like German, except there is no article in front of God. > Adding the article in parens, it would be: > > an den Ort, den (der) Gott Dir gab
cha dínsav, chanat che Avíaths lé öçkek gamez (sho) the place/loc., which/acc. the God/nom. past you/dat. give (sho)
> The fronted version needs quite a bit of formal effort that spoken > language would normally not do. But it is possible with participles:
I love this!
> an den Dir von Gott gegebenen Ort
cha dínsav höi öçkek che Avíathsen gameztélönav the place/loc. HÖI you/dat. the God/instr. given/loc. ("gameztölönav", kindred spirit to the perfect passive particle, is also possible)
> This sounds quite baroque, though.
Music to Kou ears. Kou