Re: TAKE 2nd verb page updatedc

Hi!

R A Brown writes:
>...
>> Altogether, some structure of TAKE look quite like Chinese to me,
>> e.g. the relative clauses that look just like any other attribute
>> (like adjectives)
>
> Yes, but there are good _Greek_ precedents for that. In Classical
> Greek more often than note a _participle_ phrase is preferred, and
> this must be attributive. Thus rather than "the house that Jack built"
> one could quite well have "the by Jack built house". I believe such
> constructions also in in literary German.
Yes, indeed -- now that you say it!  So that's why the examples felt
natural. :-)

> As I wrote the use of the definite article instead of a relative
> pronoun is found in Homer & some dialects.
The German relative pronoun is very similar to the article.

> Arguably such clause are
> adjectival and attributive. Certain this construction is found in
> medieval Greek, e.g.
> τὰ βουίδα τὰ ἐλάβετε
> the oxen  the you-took, i.e. the oxen [which] you took
Exactly like German:
  die Ochsen, die Du namst

>
> εἰς τὸν τόπον τὸν ὁ Θεὸς σὲ ἔδωκεν
> into the+ACC place the+ACC the+NOM God you gave
> into the place which God gave you
Again, like German, except there is no article in front of God.
Adding the article in parens, it would be:

  an den Ort, den (der) Gott Dir gab

The fronted version needs quite a bit of formal effort that spoken
language would normally not do.  But it is possible with participles:

  an den Dir von Gott gegebenen Ort

This sounds quite baroque, though.

**Henrik

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