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Re: Constructive Criticism Appreciated: Vowels

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 18:04
On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, at 05:18 , william drewery wrote:

> --- Ray Brown <ray.brown@...> wrote:
>> Whatever the actual pronunciation of /a/ in the >> spoken dialects, they are >> all surely low vowels, at least when contrasted with >> /i/ and /u/. Arabic >> isn't an exception to the 'universal': >> >> Ray >> > Thank you all. I've been confused about this for some > time. I think a lot of it was due to the way some > people right languages like Cherokee with e i o and my > Lewis V. Tomas "Elementary Turkish" says Trukish "a" > is pronouced as in English "sun" and "e" as in English > "fed", which are both fairly close vowels in my > dialect.
Yep - this is the problem with these "is pronounced as.." or "is pronounced like..." descriptions, especially if the reference is to English. They're just too ambiguous and, as you imply, misleading.
> Thus I supposed that Turkish lacked phonemic > low vowels.
Nope - it has four :)
> BTW, are there any good grammars on any of the local > vernaculurs of Arabic? I can only find info on te > Classical language. Thanks, >
I don't - but I fairly certain that the "Teach Yourself" series publishes both a TY Classical Arabic and TC Colloquial [Egyptian] Arabic. IIRC Egyptian is chosen because it's sort of not too different from either the eastern of the western North African dialects. Ray =============================================== (home) (work) =============================================== "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760