Re: tolkien?

uruk from *RUK = "fear"  - wouldn't that be the result of Sauron/Gorthaur
having charge of GE/M-tormenting the captured Avari into Orcs.

After so much GE/M torment, it would become pretty much a standard phrase in
common use.

"Fear all around us.  We fear them when they come for us.  We live in fear of
what they will do to us.  Fear before us, fear at each side, fear behind us.
Will we live another day?
"Fear all around us.  Now _WE_ are the ones feared.
"Yes, we are the fearsome ones, we are hungry...  Give us now!!!"

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:36, you wrote:
> Quoting Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>:
> > Naaaa, if i were really that skillzed and/or audacious i would've come
> > up with a lot more than just some sound correspondences and a
> > word-analysis or two, i'd've filled in the whole Drughu language!
> > Since I am writing this email while offline and therefore can't check
> > for everything i've posted to the Conlang list about the
> > Drughu-Rokbeigalm connection, here's what i remember:
> >
> > The Drughu word "gorgûn" used by Ghân-buri-Ghân is analyzable as:
> >
> > gorgu+u+n
> >
> > |gorgu| [gorgu] meaning "orc" (the Rok. cognate meaning something like
> >
> > 'swarm' if i remember correctly could be |gaurg| [gO4g], |gaurguh|
> > (with final [V]) or |gaurgoo| (with final high central rounded vowel)
> > depending on whether the final vowel was originally */@/, */@:/, or
> > */u/)
>
> Have you done anything with Tolkien's statement that _gorgûn_ seems to be
> related to the Elvish words for "orc"? I've got my books back in Sweden, so
> I can't give you the reference, but I think it's in the essay "Quendi and
> Eldar" in The War of the Jewels.
>
> Incidentally, _all_ words for "orc" in Tolkien's languages seem to be
> ultimately derivable to the Quendian root *RUK "fear". Besides the
> plentiful Elvish words and _gorgûn_, the Professor notes that Dwarvish
> _rukhs_, pl _rakhâs_, seems to derive from it*, and the Black Speech word
> _uruk_ is not only reminicent of "orc" in general sound, but identical to
> an attested primitive derivative of *RUK (attested in the sense that
> Tolkien mentions a such "reconstructed" form).
>
> * Since both Dwarvish and Primitive Quendian distinguish plain /k/ from the
> aspirate /kh/, I've always found it intriguing that the Dwarvish forms are
> not _ruks_, _rakâs_. Were I interested in fan fiction, I'd done something
> on that long ago.
>
>                                                           Andreas
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